Interesting comment from Women's Aid on latest ONS stats on domestic violence

[stumbledin]

" ... An estimated 1.6 million women have experienced domestic abuse in the year ending March 2020 with young women aged 16-24 years continuing to be the age group at most risk. The ONS only collects data on victims up to the age of 74, however domestic abuse affects all age groups, including older women.

The official prevalence data has important information missing. While the prevalence estimates show the sex of the victim, they do not show the sex of the perpetrators. The estimates do not tell who is experiencing abuse as part of pattern of coercive control, or who is experiencing repeated abuse. The estimates do not tell us who is harmed and how severe it was (physical or psychological). It is vital to describe context and impact. For instance, the perpetrator who encounters resistance to the abuse could be counted as a victim. We know from other research that once all this important information is included, the gendered nature of the crime becomes increasingly clear. ... "

www.womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-responds-to-the-latest-ons-stats-on-domestic-abuse/

Well the point seemed to be quite valid and important but undermined by finishing it off by using the phrase "gendered nature".

If they are not recording sex who can they be getting accurate information, and also is they go down the gender identity route there will appear to be an "increase" in domestic violence by same sex partners.

So we are caught again between established but not very thought through procedures, meeting pressure from trans activists to record sex not gender.

And, cannot understand why anyone thought they should record stats for domestic violence for women over 74? ???????

Well you can't come, wherever it is! Pedant

@CatsCantCatchCriminals2

Should that be Berns' Island?

Bern's Island. She was unique.

...sorry, of course I'm wrong... been a long day already.

Gendered is used correctly in the second wave feminism sense. It refers to collective social outcomes being different between the sexes.

RealityNotEssentialism - Thanks - you have proved my point.

Had you been to university in the 70s and even early 80s you would not have used and rarely heard the word gender.

But in fact you show how successful that change was, that you think what you experienced was the lived reality of previous generations.

You were part of the first age group to be experimented on, and unfortunately it shows the experiment worked.

So I repeat if you looked (ie googled) newspaper articles etc., from before your lived experience (ie shorter than those of us who did live through the decades prior to the ones you were educated it) you will see that the word gender was NOT part of day to day conversation.

Am beginning to think we need to re-create a contemporary form of consciousness raising groups, so that those who dont realise they have been conned by the University education post the early 80s can unlearn the false weasel words of the queer capture of university education.

The full women’s aid report is worth a read.

The @countdeadwomen tweets are disturbing. I felt particularly sad about the elderly lady beaten to death with her own walking stick when she tried to stop the man killing his his wife. How brave she was

@stumbledin

RealityNotEssentialism - Thanks - you have proved my point.

Had you been to university in the 70s and even early 80s you would not have used and rarely heard the word gender.

But in fact you show how successful that change was, that you think what you experienced was the lived reality of previous generations.

You were part of the first age group to be experimented on, and unfortunately it shows the experiment worked.

So I repeat if you looked (ie googled) newspaper articles etc., from before your lived experience (ie shorter than those of us who did live through the decades prior to the ones you were educated it) you will see that the word gender was NOT part of day to day conversation.

Am beginning to think we need to re-create a contemporary form of consciousness raising groups, so that those who dont realise they have been conned by the University education post the early 80s can unlearn the false weasel words of the queer capture of university education.

Okay then But the bit about synonyms is actually from the Oxford English Dictionary but okay, I’m sure you’re right and it’s never had an ordinary meaning among the general public to be the same as sex, even in the days before there was any mainstream debate over this issue.

Still doesn’t change that the term gendered is correct in this context, even under the feminist definition. You haven’t offered an alternative either and just seem to refuse to accept that it can be described as such. Nobody on here is saying that stats shouldn’t record the sex of the offender. It would still be correct to describe it as a gendered crime.

It might be technically correct but it is now a confusing term, for the reasons given.

How about -
"We know from other research that once all this important information is included, conclusions based on the sex of the victims and perpetrators become increasingly clear. ... " ??

Young women aged between 16-24 years continuing to be the age group at most risk

I noticed on a recent list of the DV murder victims killed during lockdown that most were older women - mainly over 40. I wonder whether the older age group are at greater risk of serious harm or murder?

I think middle-aged and older women are too often overlooked (in all areas, not only domestic abuse).

RealityNotEssentialism - interesting - I wonder if dictionaries have also undergone Stonewall re-education. Maybe in some library somewhere, an older version of a dictionary could be compared to a recent one.

Also, and I dont know if this is true, but someone writing about why they still wanted Women's Studies in their university was not just the politics of establishing a view of the world through the experiences of women, but they added that the word "gender" in many countries either doesn't exist, or is not in common use.

Cultural colonialism?