Women beaten and teargassed in Poland

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Shocking footage.
One poor woman has been trailing round desperately looking for help. Her fetus has a condition incompatible with life.
It is awful.
The police just closed in on a peaceful demonstration.
They want to go back to the 1950s.

Where is this news?

BBC.
Reporting on the Polish government bringing in legislation to make all abortion illegal.

Just watched this. Regressive and misogynistic - but those courageous women standing up for women's rights to autonomy over our bodies.

2020 and men demanding control over women's bodies, spaces and safety the world over.

The government plan to remove the right to abortion where the fetus has severe abnormality/ incompatability with life.
That will leave only incest and rape. Which of course the woman will have to prove, in court, presumably within a matter of weeks after discovering she is pregnant. That should be easy.

I have a Polish cousin, I think this has radicalised her.
It's appalling.

It’s appalling - what can we do? Surely our government should be bringing pressure to bear - this can’t be tolerated?

I feel so depressed about this war on women all over the world. Everywhere you look, such misogyny and hatred of women.

I think this will lead to a lot of women emigrating from Poland. I wouldn’t stay in a country that treated me like that. Previously they would probably have come to the UK but I guess that’s unlikely to be an option after Brexit.

It is the catholic church behind it. Presumably it is difficult to get contraception too. I have no words.
It is as bad in parts of the US too.

BBC is now saying it is a proposed complete ban on abortion.

Horrifying. I hope women that want to are able to leave, although seeking asylum elsewhere is hardly an easy path.

It would be nice to think that other countries would put pressure on but I doubt many, if any will. All kinds of countries have a dreadful lack of rights for women and hardly anything gets done.

It feels like everything is rolling back for women in one direction or another at the moment.

The Polish minister trying to defend this as "protecting human life".
Women are human too!! Its almost like that thought has not even occured to them.
Bastards.
One of my best friends is Polish, so is my sister in law and lots of my colleagues.
One of my friends at work has told me she will never go back there because of this.
There was a protest in my city in solidarity, well attended, there are loads of people that care about this but what can we actually do?

I doubt we will be able to do anything at all considering the 8th amendment was only repealed last year and women are still struggling to get access there.
It makes me fucking sick that we are still fighting for free safe and legal abortion.
I went to the protest in my city but all I could do was cry with fury.
One of my young ex colleagues did message me to say thank you for the support which was nice but it feels futile.
What they are doing is torture.

This is horrible. Is there anything else we can do to support women in Poland?
I can imagine that lots of Polish women will look to move away if they can.

This is disgusting but I can't see a link to share on my Facebook, on either Sky or BBC news. Why is this? Is it being hidden or something?? 🤔

It makes me so mad. People, MEN, have so little understanding of human reproduction and female reproductive health. There is a reason obstetrics and gynaecology are lumped together (although obviously there are many specialisms within) and it is impossible to have a safe effective obstetric service without gynaecology and safe abortion as part of that integrated service. There are all sorts of problems that can arise, such as ectopic pregnancy and early miscarriage where safe treatment is impacted if doctors' hands are tied by fear of prosecution for illegal abortion. Women will die. And that's without backstreet DIY abortions which are inevitable.

??? I understood the Polish government had shelved this due to the protests?

@Jintyfer

This is disgusting but I can't see a link to share on my Facebook, on either Sky or BBC news. Why is this? Is it being hidden or something?? 🤔

It was just on the normal BBC1 news last night. On BBC1 and the BBC news channel. I watched it twice because I couldn't believe it. There was a brief interview with a politician too.

I'm aware that this is a slightly different stance, but this is a big problem for the EU.
Poland and the other members of the Visigrad group have become part of the EU but fundamentally differ from the EU. Hungary has also changed the way that the judiciary works. The EU are trying to put together a package to help those members affected by Covid but are putting terms on that aid, which countries like Poland and Hungary are resisting.
It just shows what expanding the EU willy nilly throws up. Just think of the implications of Albania joining, which is on the agenda.

Abortion is still illegal for any reason in parts of Britain as well. In 2020. Its astonishing

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Abortion is still illegal for any reason in parts of Britain as well. In 2020. Its astonishing

Yes. Northern Ireland is dreadful. Travel restrictions due to covid19 must be making it an absolute nightmare.

I will never forget poor Savita Halappanavar. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311684/Savita-Halappanavar-Dentist-refused-abortion-Irish-hospital-died-medical-misadventure.html

Sorry, just realised that was in Galway. But I understand that NI is worse.

Completely illegal on the Isle of Man as well. Issues much nearer to home than Poland