The Last leg - stand up for cancer special....

[rabbitwoman]

A bit behind on my telly, I watched the last leg last night which ended with Adam Hills having a prostate exam to show how easy and painless it is.

And they kept talking about MEN - MEN having prostate exams, men going to the doctor for prostate exams, men's prostate, men's health, men's bodies.

At no point did anyone point out that WOMEN have prostates too. And how can it be made more comfortable for women to have their prostates examined, can they please insist on a female proctologist? Can they please stop using language that excludes trans health care?

Not even Sarah Pascoe, who was a guest on the show, stood up for the poor, excluded, insulted transwomen, you would think she would have pointed out how transphobic it was to refer to a prostate exam as something only men need?

Shocking. I sure hope they got a lot of stick on twitter afterwards from Munroe Bergdoff et Al?

#isitokay to exclude transgener folk from essential health care by implying that prostate cancer only effects men, or that only men need a prostate exam? Look at the good example set by institutions, from charities to the NHS, to use trans inclusive phrases such as pregnant people, people who menstruate etc.

Why wasn't Adam Hills immediately cancelled online?

[rabbitwoman]

@MitziK

Maybe it's assumed that transwomen don't have to worry about Prostate Cancer because of the hormone therapy and potentially surgery? They're wrong if that's the case.

Treatment

would be relevant.

.... and surely they would be wrong in assuming that transwomen have to have any type of surgery or take any hormones to be women, because that is also untrue, a woman is a woman if she says so, no medical intervention or anything else required.

She an call herself Dave and grow a full beard. She us still a woman if she says so....

Does make me wonder why programmes intent on supporting the trains agenda only ever feature the likes of Munro Bergdoff and Paris Lees......

[jellyfrizz]

@rabbitwoman

It's obvious isn't it?

So Adam Hills, Brooker, pascoe et Al - do they not see it? Do they AGREE with female erasure (I just don't believe that....)

Do they not care?

Or are we really so very wrong to object to being called cervix havers and pregnant people, etc?

Maybe I could understand if everyone was on the same page - either trans inclusive language for the penis havers AND cervix owners? OR it is fine and dandy to refer to women as women and men as men....

BUT surely for one to be fine and not the other is a HUGE signal about the truth behind this agenda, can they really, really not understand that!?

It’s the same as sex is not gender and it is rude to assume so BUT gender must be treated exactly as though it is sex.

[TreestumpsAndTrampolines]

Do they not care?

Yep, that one.

So many men just don't really register stuff that doesn't affect them personally. I know that's the case with my Nigel.

I've had to give up so many shows because of their shallow, knee-jerk response to this topic (women being people) - Daily Show, John Oliver (don't even get me started on that misogynistic fucker), Can't think what else, but I know there's more I don't watch any more. Comes to something when you prefer the honesty of 9 out of 10 cats does countdown to lefty news satire.

[Beamur]

It seems to me that trans inclusive language only really affects one sex....
It is petty, but I think the only way to illuminate the double standard is to comment on it. Maybe we should start complaining about things like personal care products - shaving, deodorant, contraception that is labelled'for men' or has 'masculine' packaging.
After all, not only men have penises we are told. Or beards.

[rabbitwoman]

.... I use Lynx deodorant.

I am not a man.

I should complain....

[MichelleofzeResistance]

It's been discussed here that there will come a point where the next step of women standing up to this oppression will be to identify en masse as men. And then to exert that identity fully so that it starts to impinge on and inconvenience biologically male people.

Obviously without making any change in outward appearance or anything else, since there is no right way to be a man and expanding the width of manhood. But it would quickly force things to the point of male people going hang on a minute, this was only supposed to inconvenience and suppress women and be a laugh, this isn't on!

[Beamur]

First hit for a search (men's shampoo/deodorant), Body Shop. How bloody ironic.
White Musk for men. How transphobic.

[MichelleofzeResistance]

Also, frankly, when being female in this country is being made so very unappealing and you'd need to be a masochist to want to put up with this treatment, why would any female not take the obvious open door to the gender that apparently gets to go without rape threats, death threats, gets listened to, has the ear of and is the priority of absolutely every establishment group, can go anywhere, do anything....

[DrDavidBanner]

Don't know why my comment was deleted. It boiled down to Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[moptophairshop]

A search of Twitter failed to find any comments or complaints at all about the lack of inclusion in their stand up to cancer show which the OP described as referring only to men requiring prostate checks.

How is it that a TV show goes by without comment yet an MP mentions the importance of using the word women when discussing cervical screening and receives thousands of cries of transphobia, threats, abuse and even calls for the removal of her whip?

Why hasn't a single person shouting out against Rosie Duffield spoken up about something which is exactly the same just with the word men instead of women? Surely if you believe in the importance of inclusive language then it works both ways.

[Beamur]

@moptophairshop

A search of Twitter failed to find any comments or complaints at all about the lack of inclusion in their stand up to cancer show which the OP described as referring only to men requiring prostate checks.

How is it that a TV show goes by without comment yet an MP mentions the importance of using the word women when discussing cervical screening and receives thousands of cries of transphobia, threats, abuse and even calls for the removal of her whip?

Why hasn't a single person shouting out against Rosie Duffield spoken up about something which is exactly the same just with the word men instead of women? Surely if you believe in the importance of inclusive language then it works both ways.

This. It's not a coincidence.

[rabbitwoman]

Well, absolutely.

And I don't want to harp on about Sarah pascoe, but she has nailed her colours to the transgender train and didn't say a word.

It seems quite unfair to keep bemoaning this program which was actually really positive with a fantastic message about men's health that I fully support - my dad has prostate cancer. Adam Hills actually did a really brave and important thing. It was a really good message and I applaud them for doing it, but at the same time.....

CAN'T YOU GUYS STAND UP FOR JK ROWLING!!???? she is the most famous author in the world. And it all started when she dared to suggest that the body shop use the word Women....

[Beamur]

Quite, I really don't care if you call prostate cancer a men's cancer (because it is) I'm also unconcerned by Dove for men, or L'Oréal men's stuff (apart from if they charge women more, but I don't want to detail myself) - it's the double standard that is pissing me off!
I don't want men to be put off seeking help by obfuscation of language and I would like it to stop being done to women.

[LajesticVantrashell]

Is anyone commenting on Male only twitter posts? should there be an en masse assault on this? Just as a way of pointout the glaring hypocrisy??

[TheGoogleMum]

To be clear they haven't called women uterus havers or similar on the show. As much as I'd love them to defend women and JKR the main panel is 3 men and I dont blame them for not fancying wading into the trans debate. I like the show and think they're being unfairly called out here. I agree that if any of them (sara pascoe....) have spoken out on the debate already it would be hypocritical to then go on about getting their prostate checked

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The trans community are fine with the double standard because they are implicitly ok with transmen being lumped in with women and not at all ok with transwomen being lumped in with men.

Yes, exactly this. The average late transitioning MTF trans person knows they need a prostate check. It's only FTM people we're expected to believe won't seek health services unless their every whim is pandered to. Which may be true because it's one of the few areas they have any say in within the trans community. Even though I think the success of this erasure of female bodied experiences is more about males wanting to detach "woman" from being associated with the female body.