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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why women’s sport should be for women only

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Soontobe60 · 16/11/2020 20:34

Despite many experts around the world citing evidence that boys who have gone through puberty have a physiological advantage (in terms of strength, speed etc) over girls, certain trans advocates are still demanding that transwomen should be allowed to compete against women and that its transphobic and against their Human Rights to refuse them.
Here’s a good example of why science should supersede ideology - parti www.prageru.com/video/the-end-of-womens-sports/?utm_source=Main+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=374c825f6f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_09_06_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f90832343d-374c825f6f-173544933 cularly in sport.

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Apollo440 · 16/11/2020 20:41

Nice video. Good on her.

zanahoria · 16/11/2020 21:00

because it is women's sport, the clue is in the name.

goodbyetrump · 16/11/2020 21:00

I wish her success in her legal battle

ListeningQuietly · 16/11/2020 21:02

In the 60's and 70's
men competing in women's sport was known by the correct term
cheating

Winesalot · 16/11/2020 21:18

Great video. I hope that they can enact change with the case.

I also saw push back again this week on twatter on Nicola Adams for her stance that males should not be boxing against females if they have gone through puberty.

I think that in the coming years there will also be at least one study that will inspire other studies that there are advantages conveyed from birth for males. It seems like some of those differences are not just from puberty.

334bu · 16/11/2020 21:30

At least one study! I would think any study properly conducted would come to this conclusion. Anyone who says it wouldn't is either totally delusional or pretending ..

Winesalot · 16/11/2020 22:27

Well. I know of one at the moment.

The sporting bodies are focusing on advantages of puberty at the moment. Ie. Opening that door for puberty blocked males still to compete. It will be interesting to see results of actual future studies therefore on any of these benefits from prepuberty are still advantageous against pubescent and post pubescent females.

ChakaDakotaRegina · 17/11/2020 01:44

We have 100 years of statistics that show why we need a women’s category.

I cannot see how anyone can argue.

Kantastic · 17/11/2020 02:09

The sporting bodies are focusing on advantages of puberty at the moment. Opening that door for puberty blocked males still to compete.

I think this is probably ok in practice although not in theory. XY chromosomes give an advantage even without male puberty (CAIS women are overrepresented among top female athletes) so in theory it's still unfair. But I don't anticipate many athletes emerging from the cohort of puberty blocked males. They obviously don't actually belong in the women's category, but I think women's sports would survive this approach.

FWRLurker · 17/11/2020 03:39

Considering puberty blocking young males sufficiently to prevent them from being a threat to women’s sport also will prevent them from ever experiencing orgasm (that many trans women and men who had a male puberty enjoy very vocally), it’s a human rights abuse that this is happening at all to boys. hopefully in the end this won’t be very many boys this is done to and there won’t be a problem.

334bu · 17/11/2020 08:09

Given the growing evidence that puberty blockers are not " a harmless pause button" but potentially dangerous and at the very least totally experimental as treatment, I think it might be safe to say that in the future there will be no male puberty suppressed athletes to consider. Therefore concentrating on such research might be a waste if time and money.

DrDavidBanner · 17/11/2020 08:15

What Chaka said.

I don't see why young boys should be treated as guinea pigs for a transient cause pushed by narcissistic middle aged men with an agenda anyway.

334bu · 17/11/2020 08:43

Actually the more I think about it the only research that needs to be done is the checking of all sporting bodies representatives eyesight and a check on their ability to read the statistics of sporting achievements gained by male and female athletes. Anything else is pure gaslighting.

Kantastic · 17/11/2020 09:58

Therefore concentrating on such research might be a waste if time and money.

All the research done on this is a waste of time and money to prove the absolutely obvious. Or even worse, to "disprove" the absolutely obvious. Males shouldn't be in women's sports.

Concentrating the research onto puberty blocked males could create the appearance of a compromise without endangering women's sport at all. And the TRAs can't openly acknowledge that puberty blocked males will never be able to compete as athletes, due to the side effects of the meds.

It's ridiculous that sports organisations feel the need to compromise with insanity, but it's better than them entirely giving in to insanity, which seems to be the current trend.

(And of course no one without a medical need for it should be on puberty blockers but that's a separate discussion.)

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