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Do not adjust your set: SEX, GENDER and PUBLIC POLICY 23 January 2021 09:00 – 17:00 GMT

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NonnyMouse1337 · 09/11/2020 22:31

This one day conference will explore transgender ideology and its recent extensive impact upon public policy. (On zoom with online Q&A)

Tickets cost £27.54. Quite a line up!

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/do-not-adjust-your-set-sexgender-and-public-policy-tickets-128465308195

James Kirkup a journalist wrote ’ During a Westminster career which began as a junior Commons researcher 25 years ago, I have never encountered a movement that has spread so swiftly and successfully, and has so fiercely rejected any challenge to its orthodoxy ..............The transgender movement has advanced through Britain’s institutions with extraordinary speed. The only thing more extraordinary than the rapid spread of this new orthodoxy is how little scrutiny it has faced and the aggressive intolerance directed towards those who question it.”

This one day conference will explore transgender ideology and its recent extensive impact upon public policy. Historical, clinical, sociological and political aspects of its emergence will be covered by the contributors.

9-00 Welcoming remarks and Introduction

  1. 15 The Growth of Transgender as an Ideological Force.

This will examine the remarkable growth of the trans agenda from a number of perspectives.

a) A contextual approach to evidence and research
Heather Brunskell Evans

b) A socio- cultural perspective
Michael Biggs

c) Institutional and professional capture Julie Bindel

10-45 discussion

11-15 The Curate’s Egg of Identity Politics: A Critical Realist Examination David Pilgrim

11 -45 Discussion

12- 15 Break

12-45 Clinical Perspectives

a) Pathways to Gender Dysphoria

tba

b) Transgender in Children a Psychoanalytic Perspective
Lisa Marchiano

c) A Different Model of Clinical Engagement with Children suffering from Gender Dysphoria
Marcus Evans and Susan Evans

2-15 Discussion

3-00 Feminist perspectives

a) Ideology and academia
Professor Selina Todd

b) Transgender and the erosion of woman’s rights : a perspective from India
Vaishnavi Sundar

c) The personal and the political
Anne Melamed

4-30 -5 00 Closing plenary

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TavistockNews · 23/01/2021 15:20

Yes, if you've bought or buy a ticket yiu will get sent a recording I think.

TavistockNews · 23/01/2021 15:24

Shout out to WPUK from Selina!

QueenoftheAir · 23/01/2021 16:51

And Susie Orbach just came in with a question and comment!!

A nice change from the earnest loquacious young men who keep making speeches in the guise of questions.

NoCureForLove · 23/01/2021 17:04

He got shut down quite quickly!

FeckTheMagicDragon · 23/01/2021 17:23

Damn I missed this. Anyway you can pay to get a recording if you haven’t registered?

TavistockNews · 23/01/2021 17:40

Can you contact and ask through Eventbrite?
Otherwise I can find out and will post on here...

TavistockNews · 23/01/2021 18:12

500+ attendees!

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/01/2021 18:33

That was a fantastic conference in spite of the technical problems. I had to dip in and out of the afternoon sessions so I don't really have much in the way of notes left - I'll post it below.

I missed writing down the exact title, but Dr Michael Biggs gave a talk along the lines of Puberty blockers - a medical technology for creating transgenderism in children

He clarified that he was talking about the phenomenon of transgenderism in children and not the condition of gender dysphoria.

Queer theory + Social media + Puberty blockers = transgender child

He talked about how transsexualism emerged in the 20th century due to medical technologies. And he delved into the history of puberty blockers. There was an in depth explanation of what puberty blockers are.

One of the uses of the type of drugs that are also known as puberty blockers is to chemically castrate extremely deviant sexual offenders.
An interesting point that he made was that if you compared the literature of puberty blockers used in children versus the chemical castration of sex offenders is that the literature for children talks about the drugs in fairly positive terms while literature for sex offenders focuses / describes the serious side effects.
And what really shocked me is when he said that the dosage of these drugs given to sex offenders and children is exactly the same. Shock For some reason I thought the dosage was a smaller amount or whatever but it was really shocking to hear the dosage is exactly the same which means we are chemically castrating children while selling the idea to them in glowing terms. I still can't stop thinking about that point....

Then he talked about the Dutch origins of puberty blockers, the Dutch protocol.

Nowadays the concept of puberty blockers is not just a drug but some sort of discursive package.
There are two main rhetorical tricks used by those who invested in this idea - by saying it is reversible and claiming it is part of a diagnostic process.
There is also the problem of erasure of sexuality, especially homosexuality.

I had to stop listening to the talk due to other stuff so missed most of what he said in the latter half. Quite disappointed as it was really interesting. ☹️

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NonnyMouse1337 · 23/01/2021 18:39

Great talks also from the other speakers in the afternoon - Lisa Marchiano, Sue and Marcus Evans, Selina Todd, Vaishnavi Sundar (I can't wait for her documentary; such worrying news from India in how this is starting to play out ☹️), Ziggy Melamed, Sophie Kemp and David Bell.

Hopefully they will release the recording for an wider audience so that those who couldn't attend can watch it.

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TavistockNews · 23/01/2021 19:16

There is a very good summary on TransgenderTrend's twitter - live tweeting throughout the conference for those who want a taste of the whole thing.

I thought it was very good indeed.

RozWatching · 23/01/2021 19:23

I missed this, hope the recordings become available.

And what really shocked me is when he said that the dosage of these drugs given to sex offenders and children is exactly the same. shock For some reason I thought the dosage was a smaller amount or whatever but it was really shocking to hear the dosage is exactly the same which means we are chemically castrating children while selling the idea to them in glowing terms

From a 2012 Guardian piece about 'chemical castration' of sex offenders:

Other more severe cases, might be prescribed with an anti-androgen. In the UK this is typically cyproterone acetate or tryptorelin, not leuprorelin as cited by the Mirror, which is more often used in America. This is what is referred to as chemical castration, Grubin says, and in most cases takes away sexual desire, prevents a man's ability to get an erection or ejaculate.

"Anti-androgens have quite serious side effects which is why you would only use with volunteering and informed consent. They include osteoporosis. They mess up your blood lipids, so there can be coronary side effects. Many men find breast growth disturbing. It makes men into menopausal women, they get hot flushes, mood changes, redistribution of body fat."

Grubin says that there are no controlled trials of anti-androgens for sex offenders because of the ethical problems and because you couldn't use placebos because the side effects are so obvious.

Shock And 'menopausal women'?! Could this programme be one reason why so many sex offenders say they are 'women'? Also worth noting that the 'castration' effect is not permanent in adult men. Who knows what it does to children though.

www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/mar/13/prisons-and-probation-criminal-justice

zzizzer · 23/01/2021 20:11

Oh no, I missed this. I'd be willing to pay to hear the recordings if anyone from the team is reading this.

Mollyollydolly · 23/01/2021 23:42

I missed it too. Would also be willing to pay to listen if that's a possibility. The tweets from TransgenderTrend were great.

stumbledin · 23/01/2021 23:54

Hi Blush I dont use twitter much. Where do I start with the transgender tweets - has there been a thread reader? or Do I just start at the earliest one that seems to be this one? twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1352907134288203776

stumbledin · 24/01/2021 00:00

I managed to make the first half a threadreader but then couldn't do anything with it as I dont have a twitter account! threadreaderapp.com/

TavistockNews · 24/01/2021 00:01

Yes, that thread covers the whole conference. Scroll down and you can see her summaries of various panels / speakers etc.

stumbledin · 24/01/2021 00:27

Probably! A bit tired now so will start fresh tomorrow. Seems to have been a really good and wide ranging event.

Would be a real break through to get a journalist to report it.

If C4 news can give air time to a dissenter from Tavistock surely any reporter worth their title would want to report this!

NonnyMouse1337 · 24/01/2021 01:12

Transgender Trend Twitter

Thread 1
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1352907134288203776.html

Thread 2
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1352968970467422209.html

Thread 3
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1352993400308572161.html

Thread 4
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1353026486140366850.html

That should cover it all I think. Great reporting from TT.

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JudithButlerNot · 25/01/2021 09:17

Is it possible to get a recording?

stumbledin · 25/01/2021 14:49

Thanks nonny!

PresentingPast · 25/01/2021 17:44

Link to recordings here

twitter.com/BobWithers52/status/1353690504173678593

zzizzer · 25/01/2021 19:46

Thanks for the links! Flowers

Howell53 · 21/02/2021 19:41

Subject: Re: “DO NOT ADJUST YOUR SET”: SEX,GENDER and PUBLIC POLICY | recording

Political Mind External event

Here is the recording, the first talk by Heather Brunskell-Evans has been re-recorded and provided at the bottom of the page, as we had some tech issues at the start. The rest is good quality.

The recording is in 2 parts because it was a long day: There is an access code included.

All feedback gratefully received.

David Morgan
Political Mind

Part 1 (0-6 hours)
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Access Passcode: Ex$50q@h

Part 2 (6-8 hours)
us02web.zoom.us/rec/play/v6jusGz4gQbtmgxlvtrYLjYJQ1PrvYsw7hSu0uljvQpvPbNgoB4-LYDTYaFtYxOxE-3PH0sFI2vIk6hR.PtVKE1G9h8GdEKVq

Re-recording first talk

Topic: Heather Brunskell-Evans
Date: Jan 28, 2021 12:02 PM London

Meeting Recording:
us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/tGxJe-XsZt6vR_oL7irFWaWcF_zdxRh0x8s-IjtMjjrT9kEJvAIA5Ta8KwIX4X2e.4TIUwgZ_76YT2XIv

Access Passcode: e96@!ddo

Bios

Heather Brunskell-Evans is an academic philosopher and Foucault Scholar. She is extremely troubled by the trans politicisation of childhood. She analyses how the Tavistock has been led to believe medicalising children is not only reasonable but ethical

Dr David Pilgrim is Honorary Professor of Health and Social Policy, University of Liverpool and Visiting Professor of Clinical Psychology University of Southampton. His recent books included Critical Realism for Psychologists and Child Sexual Abuse: Moral Panic or State of Denial? Currently he is writing a book in identity politics.

Vaishnavi Sundar is a writer, filmmaker and women's rights activist based from Chennai, the south of India. Her film 'But what was she wearing?', India's only investigative documentary on workplace sexual harassment, was cancelled from screening due to her "transphobic views."
During lockdown, amid further cancellations and COVID fears, she made a 4-part documentary series on the rise of gender identity ideology around the world, and its adverse effects on women and girls from developing countries.

Lisa Marchiano, LCSW is a writer and Jungian analyst in private practice in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She has worked with parents of gender dysphoric youth, gender dysphoric and trans identified young adults, and detransitioners. Her writings on gender have appeared in Quillette and Psychological Perspectives. She has contributed chapters to several books on the topic of gender and has presented nationally and internationally on the subject as well. Lisa is the cohost of the popular podcast This Jungian Life and teaches at the C.G. Jung Institute of Philadelphia. Her book Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself will be published by Sounds True in May, 2021. You can find her on Twitter at @LisaMarchiano.

Susan Evans is a psychoanalytic psychotherapist. She trained as a general and then psychiatric nurse and worked for nearly forty years in the NHS, in a variety of mental health services including the national gender identity service for children. She now has a private practice in South -East London. She is a member of the British Psychotherapy Foundation, the London Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy Service, and is registered with the British Psychoanalytic Council. Susan was the original complainant with Mrs A in the judicial review, before handing over to Keira Bell, on February 2020, but remained a witness in the case.

Marcus Evans is a psychoanalyst with the British Psychoanalytical Society . He worked as a nurse in mental health services and as an adult psychotherapist in the NHS for forty years. For several years he was clinical lead of the Adult and Adolescent Departments at the Tavistock & Portman NHS Foundation Trust and head of nursing in the Trust for 20 years. He is the author of Making Room for Madness in Mental Health and Psychoanalytic Thinking in Mental Health Settings. He resigned as Governor from the Tavistock Board of Governors over the management of the GIDS in February 2019, and acted as a witness in the case.

Ziggy Melamed is a life long left wing anti capitalistactivist . She currently works for the NHS in women’s health. She has increasingly involved in feminist polticsin recent years
Selina Todd is Professor of Modern History at Oxford University. Her research focuses on working-class women.
Michael Biggs is Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Oxford and Fellow of St Cross College. His research focuses on social movement and collective protest, from strike waves in the 19th century to transgenderism in the 21st century.
Julie Bindel is an investigative journalist, author and feminist campaigner. She has been a target of extreme transgender activists and their allies since 2004.
Sophie Kemp is a partner in Kingsley Napley’s public law team, specialising in judicial review and public inquiries
David Morgan Psychoanalyst. Chair Political Mind BPAS

AliciaWhiskers · 27/05/2021 21:41

Just so people know, apparently there is a follow up conference to this one held next Saturday (5th June).

On eventbrite - Gender Dysphoria -A Therapeutic model for working with Children, Adolescents and Young people

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