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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The hounding of Scottish poet Jenny Lindsay

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howonearthdidwegethere · 06/11/2020 23:20

Not sure if there has been a thread on Jenny before but she has been horribly bullied in the super-woke Scottish arts scene. She wrote about it in a poetry journal called Dark Horse in September. A long form essay. Really excellent, although you'll need to buy the print copy to read it (well worth it, though).

Jenny continues to lose work because of this hounding. Anyway, she's on Twitter: twitter.com/msjlindsay (some others are digging for her...) and you can watch some of her fab performance poetry on YouTube, e.g.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 06/11/2020 23:23

She's brilliant. It is shocking.

Would be great if JK could give her a grant to support her work - she must have lost a lot of income from the nonsense.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 07/11/2020 00:39

The Scottish Poetry Library has been standing up for women.
www.theguardian.com/books/2020/mar/05/transphobia-row-leaves-scottish-poetry-scene-in-turmoil

DidoLamenting · 07/11/2020 02:12

I bought the magazine although still have to read it.

The Scottish Poetry Library does seem to get involved in disputes. I've no idea what all this was about (nor why the Scottish Poetry Library needed a staff of 13)

tfn.scot/news/writers-sever-ties-with-poetry-library

ArabellaScott · 07/11/2020 14:10

The Scottish Poetry Library does seem to get involved in disputes. I've no idea what all this was about (nor why the Scottish Poetry Library needed a staff of 13)

It's complicated. SPL have been embroiled in various rows. As poets are notorious for being able to start fights in an empty room, it may be inevitable for this type of organisation. The library is an absolutely fantastic resource.

needanewidea · 07/11/2020 14:37

Some lovely news...

A crowdfunder was been set up for her yesterday, partly as she lost work just this week worth £1.8k. Last I saw, it had over £3k on it, in less than a day.

Jenny had no idea this was happening until loads of money had already been collected. She said on Twitter:

My emotional state at seeing this earlier disnae fit in a tweet. It doesn't fit in a heart. I'm overwhelmed, grateful, astounded and just.. taken aback by this level of generosity, support and love. I don't know what to say.

I want to snog all of you. There. That sums it up. x

Obviously I won't link to it as we're not allowed, but I hope mumsnet will leave this post up as it's not a plea for money but the recounting of a nice story.

ArabellaScott · 07/11/2020 15:24

Great stuff, needane. I will do a bit of digging when I get the next shovel.

howonearthdidwegethere · 07/11/2020 19:09

I meant to put this in my original post but Jenny also has a collection of poetry published last year which I also have and would recommend (much of it about feminism):

stewedrhubarb.org/product/this-script-by-jenny-lindsay/

Although I see it's out of stock. But I think she was tweeted recently to say she had some copies left herself.

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JuniLoolaPalooza · 07/11/2020 19:16

I bought the Dark Horse issue off the back of the Nick Cohen piece. I wish I could make all my worker than woke friends read it and ask if this is truly what they want k the future. Glad there is some digging, it takes a strong person indeed to remain resolute

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 08/11/2020 00:37

I've just discovered Jenny's Ko-Fi page, and treated her to a cup of coffee! I hadn't heard of this before. A fun idea for supporting creativity.

ShadyBansheeThing · 08/11/2020 11:12

Thanks for alerting me to the fundraiser - I've just donated.

I'm in Scotland and I'm so glad the SPL have stood up for her at least.

I'm so shocked by this even though I'm not at all new to TRA bullying and have been GC for years. I'm appalled that other writers including her friends could turn on her and swallow this mad idea that trans rights must always come first even to the extent of it being fine to threaten violence against women who don't toe the line. WTF is wrong with them?

I don't know her personally so I'm glad to have been able to show some financial support.

fatblackcatspaw · 08/11/2020 18:19

this fundraiser has nearly hit £5000 so its been extended to £8000

morningtoncrescent62 · 20/11/2020 14:25

I got an update saying they've closed the fundraiser at just north of £9300. It feels like this part of the story has a 'happy ending' of sorts.

fatblackcatspaw · 21/11/2020 00:13

@morningtoncrescent62

I got an update saying they've closed the fundraiser at just north of £9300. It feels like this part of the story has a 'happy ending' of sorts.
oh that is MARVELLOUS news!
WagnersFourthSymphony · 05/01/2021 20:11

The Dark Horse has now put Jenny Lindsay's article online. It makes harrowing reading.
www.thedarkhorsemagazine.com/anatomy-of-a-hounding-lindsay

ArabellaScott · 05/01/2021 20:21

Good that it's online, thanks, Wagner.

PearPickingPorky · 05/01/2021 20:34

Thanks Wagner, will have a read.

chilling19 · 05/01/2021 21:36

That is a powerful piece of writing. Up there with JKR's essay.

PearPickingPorky · 05/01/2021 21:58

My god. I can't believe she was put through all of that for saying that it's not okay to call for violence against women.

How scary and unjust.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 05/01/2021 22:51

Such a chilling article, what a bunch of fuckwits in the Scottish poetry scene. Going to seek out some of her work, and if lockdown ever ends will aim to see her live.

lionheart · 06/01/2021 02:45

'Closer to home, a friend was publicly traduced as biologically essentialist and transphobic after giving a speech about women in the film industry. She had suggested that women’s traditional roles as mothers and primary care-givers may have contributed to their historical lack of representation in film-making. Her points are perfectly valid: they would barely have been questioned four years ago.'

Molesmokes · 07/01/2021 03:17

lionheart - ”Closer to home, a friend was publicly traduced as biologically essentialist and transphobic after giving a speech about women in the film industry. She had suggested that women’s traditional roles as mothers and primary care-givers may have contributed to their historical lack of representation in film-making. Her points are perfectly valid: they would barely have been questioned four years ago.”

Not to minimise the horror of that insanity but, truth be told, those views are still thoroughly uncontroversial for the vast majority of the population, ie. those outside of cultural circles infiltrated and ruled by the Woke Elite.

The Social Justice Movement is despicably narcissistic, sadistic and privileged.

Jenny’s story reminded me of this recent conversation between Benjamin Boyce and Keri Smith.

It winds up:

Benjamin Boyce:
”Suffering is an opportunity to show your character, to improve it or degrade it. Evil is a human being’s wilful generation of suffering and compounding of suffering and magnification of suffering . . . Evil is something that human beings do when they maladapt to suffering.”

Keri Smith:
”Evil is human’s maladaptation to suffering.”

Earlier in the video BB talks about the three ways James Lindsay identifies to deal with “wokeness”. Then Keri talks about how those who refused to bend to wokeness in the “Knitting Wars” came out on top, after serious suffering from the bad behaviour of demented SJWs. (“Bad behaviour” being a euphemism for self-indulgent sadism.)

Just like the way that Jenny Lindsay is winning in the Poetry Wars Smile

(Jenny is no relation to James, AFAIK - it seems unlikely.)

Picking up the video at that point - if Jenny sees this I hope she gets some more comfort from it. It might also give some of the pusillanimous Cancel Mongers pause for thought if they come across it - and help them get the bottle to resist this vile madness too.

The Woke Wankers might be well-funded by billionaires but though we bepoor - we are legion! Smile

BobbinThreadbare123 · 07/01/2021 09:44

That article is phenomenal. What a dignified and clear response to what is, effectively, modern-day witch hunting. Many of these attacks on women come across as 'punishment' for being clever. I don't have an artsy bone in my body and no knowledge or involvement with literacy scenes, but Jenny certainly has my admiration

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