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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New consultation - freedom of speech/hate speech

22 replies

OhHolyJesus · 06/11/2020 17:50

No apparent deadline unless it's shown further on as you complete and submit.

Does anyone else feel like this is relentless at the moment? Somewhere between the emails from the school and the public consultations it's a full time job!

Still, I'll submit, seeing as they asked but I'm certain that they are doing this deliberately...

committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/307/freedom-of-expression/

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ArabellaScott · 06/11/2020 17:56

Yes, absolutely. Who really has time to research, consider, phrase, carefully write?

Thanks. Will have a look.

Imnobody4 · 06/11/2020 18:20

This is getting a bit ridiculous, it's the 4th consultation I've got to complete

Whatsnewpussyhat · 06/11/2020 18:39

Does hate speech law need to be updated or clarified as shifting social attitudes lead some to consider commonly held views hateful?

This one pisses me off. Commonly held views like sex being binary and humans cannot change sex? Or saying only females get cervical cancer?

The views of the overwhelming majority are not a fucking hate crime.

ArabellaScott · 06/11/2020 19:14

Does hate speech law need to be updated or clarified as shifting social attitudes lead some to consider commonly held views hateful?

Oh, aye. Constantly, no doubt. And who gets to decide what is hateful?

stumbledin · 06/11/2020 19:43

On the Committee's home page it says the deadline is 6 December committees.parliament.uk/committee/93/human-rights-joint-committee/

ChattyLion · 06/11/2020 20:29

Another one! This looks really important though. Also- unlike the very leading Women and Equalities Committee GRA questions, this says:

The Joint Committee on Human Rights invites submissions of no more than 1,500 words from interested groups and individuals.

If you would like to ask the Committee to accept your submission anonymously (meaning it will be published but without your name), or confidentially (meaning it won't be published at all), please say at the start of your evidence which of these you want to request.

FannyCann · 06/11/2020 21:01

Thanks @OhHolyJesus
Another one! I can't keep up! Anyone got a spread sheet with due dates?
They're trying to wear us down I'm sure, but we need to dig in and plug on.

OhHolyJesus · 06/11/2020 22:33

Women Speak Scotland has a list with dates, although this one is hot of the press (I think).

There’s the Technical Toilet review
www.gov.uk/government/consultations/toilet-provision-for-men-and-women-call-for-evidence

The Women and Equalities Committee review of the GRA consultation
Deadline 27/11
committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/

and also the Hate Crime for Eng and Wales
18/13
www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/hate-crime/

and the Scottish one. Anyone remember what is happening with that?

And the public standards one

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/standards-matter-2-public-consultation-and-public-sector-survey

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ChattyLion · 07/11/2020 09:22

Thank you OHJ I wish that could be a sticky at the top of the board!

Imnobody4 · 07/11/2020 09:34

Agree this is an important one we really need to respond to. It includes rights at work as well as police behaviour so It's taking an approach It's chaired by Harriet Harman and they did an investigation on Freedom of Speech in universities.

One of their findings:
'In particular, we welcome the Committee’s work to clarify that while there may not yet be widespread censorship, there are some genuine problems which must be addressed; in particularthe behaviourof some protestors and student groups, and the risk thata complex web of rules and guidance may impede freespeech.We recognise these challenges, and we are taking clear action to address them.' from the government.

OhHolyJesus · 07/11/2020 10:02

That's quite makes me feel quite positive Imnobody4

Please everyone share the hell out of this as much as you can. It is really important that they hear from a wide range of society, whilst time consuming I do really appreciate these consultations as outside of general elections this is the only time we can have our voices heard.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 08/11/2020 01:30

Thanks for highlighting this OhHolyJesus. Tis the season of consultations. Halloween Grin Wine

I've updated the list on the WSS website ... And I've added a calendar widget towards the bottom of the home page.
There are various feminist related events, but also the consultation deadlines are highlighted. This should hopefully help us retain some sanity amidst the avalanche of submissions.

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/11/2020 01:34

This is the website I was talking about for those who aren't familiar with it -
womenspeakscotland.com/

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 08/11/2020 08:33

I can’t remember which ones I’ve done. Going to set up a Consultations folder and start keeping a PDF of each one I do from here on, or take notes, so I’ve got a record. It is like exam season! But gotta do it.

highame · 08/11/2020 08:42

This is democracy, would rather be doing surveys than not. Will fit in with Christmas list. Must get cracking, a lot to do Grin

FannyCann · 08/11/2020 09:08

Brilliantly helpful website NonnyMouse1337 thank you!

And excellent advice about keeping a consultations folder thinkingaboutLangCleg

I had never heard of or contributed to a consultation before the GRC. Did they happen while most of us were unaware or have they become more frequent these days?

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/11/2020 10:02

Thanks FannyCann, we're learning as we go along and trying to find ways to make it easier to keep track of all the issues flying around. So many good resources out there to pull together. If it helps women get more involved in writing to committees and politicians, that's great.

Imnobody4 · 27/12/2020 09:44

Just bumping this. The deadline has been extended, fortunately. I do think it's an important one and it only needs 1500 words max.
committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/307/freedom-of-expression/

DEADLINE EXTENDED: 31 January 2021***

Freedom of expression is an essential foundation of democratic society, guaranteed by the common law and by Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

The Joint Committee on Human Rights will investigate this issue. Our inquiry will focus on the following questions:

  • Does hate speech law need to be updated or clarified as shifting social attitudes lead some to consider commonly held views hateful?
  • Does current police guidance and practice on hate speech law help promote freedom of expression?
  • Is there a need to review the wording and application of Public Space Protection Order (PSPO) legislation?
  • What obligations does an employee have to their employer when expressing views on social media, and to what extent can, and should, employers respond to what their employees say on these platforms?
  • Is greater clarity required to ensure the law is understood and fair?
  • How has the situation changed in universities in the two years since the Committee’s report on the issue?
  • Does everyone have equal protection of their right to freedom of expression?
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 27/12/2020 11:46

Missed this - does FPFW or WP have any useful guidance?

Imnobody4 · 24/01/2021 13:09

Bumping again. The responses are being published here, only 30 so far. Worth having a look. Haven't done mine yet, am working on the toilets one first. Wish I could crack procrastination problem.

committees.parliament.uk/work/778/freedom-of-expression/publications/written-evidence/

Imnobody4 · 24/01/2021 17:43

Interesting disturbing post from the Morning Star cartoonist.
Written evidence from Mrs Stella Perrett (FOE0001)
Dear Sir/Madam
I am a self-employed artist.
Your call for evidence is about freedom of expression referencing 'Hate Speech' and how it is dealt with.

I have had a 'Non-Crime-Hate-Incident' (NCHI) recorded against me by Avon & Somerset Police, in response to a complaint someone made about a cartoon by me which was published by the Morning Star newspaper in February 2020.

This directly references your committee, because my own freedom of expression as an artist, more to the point, as a political cartoonist, and my outlet's freedom of expression in publishing my cartoon, was considered like 'Hate speech' by someone who contacted the police about it.

This complaint, (alongside other pressure - union and social media coercion of the newspaper) led them to cancel my 5-year association with them as their regular political cartoonist, with no commuication, and no right of reply.

My name was trashed, and my reputation attacked , on social media around the world, and someone in my union at work instigated an investigation into me, with the aim of getting me thrown out of the union.

As a result, and because of the stress, which was excaberating other trauma in my life (I am a carer for my husband) I made the difficult choice to retire early from the civil service, partly in order not to drag my union work colleagues into the furore, and have their reputations attacked in public as well.

A further example of how I am unable to 'clear my name' over this – which bizarrely, I would have that chance, if these NCHIs were treated formally, the same as 'Hate Speech' in the criminal courts : was in August, when the editor of the annual “Britain's Best Political Cartoons 2020” wanted to include me in his anthology, he was not allowed to by Penguin book's lawyers.

The police did not inform me of the complaint against my cartoon in the Morning Star.
Please note that the NCHI is against ME, as the ARTIST, NOT against the newspaper, whose editorial decision it was to publish. In other words, a direct attack on my personal freedom of expression in the journalistic world.

I knew nothing about it, until July 2020, when the Mail on Sunday, in the course of writing about me for their article on Cancel Culture, contacted the Avon & Somerset Police to enquire if there had been such a complaint. The desk duty officer confirmed to reporter Nick Craven that there had been such a complaint but that no action had at that point been taken.

OvaHere · 24/01/2021 17:49

That's horrifying. @Imnobody4

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