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I don't think this is transphobic

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Betty94 · 05/11/2020 20:47

Hi all,

I just wanted opinions really as I may be in the wrong but there was a lot of discussion on Poland and the abortion laws on Twitter and someone I follow retweeted a tweet from a man who said abortion is immoral blah blah and she quoted friends and said "no uterus no opinion" and personally I think even if you do have a uterus you can't really dictate what other people do but all of a sudden this person said she was being transphobic and it's trans hate to say that - I mean I didn't think it was, is it? I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is, trans women will never have to make the decision whether to have an abortion or not so I don't see how something regarding abortion can be transphobic - I thought I'd ask here as people are way more intelligent than me haha and can maybe explain if I'm wrong or not.

Thank you x

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FindTheTruth · 06/11/2020 17:23

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EyesOpening · 06/11/2020 17:51

[quote FindTheTruth]Even 'Natural bodybuilding' is transphobic these days. 🙄twitter.com/ripx4nut911/status/1324748987942002688[/quote]
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Maduixa · 06/11/2020 18:50

Hi, Betty94. I live In Poland and this idea makes no sense to me. I’d like to explain why - and I’m sorry but it’s a long explanation.

What has happened here in terms of the law has real consequences - which hit women the worst and hardest.

I have friends here in Warsaw - I’ll call them Helena and Dawid to preserve their anonymity, but their story is unfortunately common. They’re married and have two children; they’re both from large families and wanted at least four. Last year, Helena became pregnant but started having a lot of abdominal pain she hadn’t had in the previous pregnancies. They discovered that there was an abnormality of the fetus and not only would the pain continue but the baby was almost certain to be stillborn or to die within a few hours of birth.

Helena had an abortion - not easy as she and Dawid are observant Roman Catholics (and not logistically easy in Poland even then). Carrying the pregnancy to term would have been incredibly painful for her, but also emotionally horrible for Dawid and their two young children. But that’s what they’d potentially face if she were to become pregnant with the revised laws in place. They have decided not to try for another child - even if this new ruling gets mitigated or rolled back somehow, it’s just too risky.

Helena is a doctor; she has not been out on the streets every day and didn’t strike last Wednesday. She feels guilty about that but COVID is surging here and she felt she had to go to work. Dawid, who works on line, HAS protested every single day, and he has brought his brothers and friends and even his 70-something devoutly Catholic father along.

If Polish husbands and fathers and grandfathers and boyfriends and brothers and just compassionate male humans in general can come out and march and protest with women in the explicitly-named “women’s strike” (Strajk Kobiet) WITHOUT demanding to be centered, why do trans people (or anyone) in another country have to hijack this highly contentious and volatile local issue to talk about discrimination against THEM?

And I’ll answer my own question: trans people can and do understand that this is an issue that impacts “people with uteri” disproportionately. And many Polish trans people can and have and do stand beside women in protest. I know, because I have met them out there doing it. It’s misogynists hiding behind “trans rights activism” who have a (manufactured, and frankly culturally imperialist) issue with simply saying: women are human, and women matter - in some specific contexts, even more than men.

RuffleCrow · 06/11/2020 18:56

Tell him he's transphobic (and frankly sexist) for assuming transgender people don't have uteruses. Nearly all the female ones do.

Duckwit · 06/11/2020 18:59

I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is

Yep.

I have kind of become de-sensitised to the word 'transphobic' now, because most of the time, actual transphobia (mostly from men) is ignored and the word now basically just means 'pro-woman'.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2020 19:03

Thanks for that very informative post, Maduixa. You're right, this sort of nonsense is just thinly disguised misogyny, of no benefit to women or trans people.

FindTheTruth · 06/11/2020 19:09

Dawid, who works on line, HAS protested every single day, and he has brought his brothers and friends and even his 70-something devoutly Catholic father along.

❤️👏

And many Polish trans people can and have and do stand beside women in protest. I know, because I have met them out there doing it. It’s misogynists hiding behind “trans rights activism” who have a (manufactured, and frankly culturally imperialist) issue with simply saying: women are human, and women matter - in some specific contexts, even more than men.

Thank you for posting this. the issue isn't trans people. its trans activists who refuse to acknowledge that biological females matter more than others in some contexts.

ScreamingBeans · 06/11/2020 20:01

Yes.

Everything's transphobic.

So who cares.

If you are remotely determined to hang on to any semblance of sanity, you will at some point be transphobic as defined by maniacs.

So fuck it. Be transphobic. It's just another way of saying you're not entirely detached from reality. The word has no real power.

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