Helen’s Law

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Thought this deserved a thread. Helen’s Law - where murderers won’t be released if they will not reveal where the victim’s body is - has passed.

So sad it is too late to help this poor family, but Marie McCourt has done something amazing.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/helens-law-finally-comes-force-22959085

Seems like an extension of the existing cruel policy that keeps innocent people in jail because they won't "confess".

You need to be 100% sure of your criminal justice system before you start with bright ideas like that. And speaking personally, I would be terrified of any country that claimed it had a criminal justice system that was infallible. Especially when you look into history and see the countries that did so (starting with Germany in the 1930s).

And once you've decided your criminal justice system is infallible, why waste time with prisons. String the guilty up and save time.

Of course in your Brave New World you would end up not executing guilty criminals, because they hadn't revealed the location of their victim. Even if (a) they didn't do it or (b) there's no body to be found.

People need to think these things through. They won't, but they should.

Oh, and bear in mind Priti Patels entire reasoned and cogent argument as to how we prevent wrongful executions - as stated on Question Time a few years back was "DNA, innit ?". So I wouldn't be filled with confidence we'd get a measured response from government.

Omg! That's amazing. I really didn't think it would pass because the murdering bastards have the HR act on their side. Let's hope there is no appeal.

@goldenharvest

Omg! That's amazing. I really didn't think it would pass because the murdering bastards have the HR act on their side. Let's hope there is no appeal.

Bloodlust is not a great look.

@ProfessorSlocombe Bloodlust! 😂😂😂😂😂

Are you on something? The case in point was proven, not just beyond reasonable doubt, but infinity and beyond.

Why introduce the completely different issue of historic miscarriages of justice? I have enough confidence in the judicial system to be pleased with this ruling.

My sympathy is with the bereaved family living with pain of not being able to bury the body of their loved one. Not with a proven murderer.

Do you not understand the psyche of murder, particularly of women? It's not about their innocence or sticking to their plea, it's about power. Just like their crime is. Male entitlement is not just about raping vulnerable young women, and to murder and dispose of their bodies, but about the power they feel they have over their victims. This includes torturing the families by refusing to reveal the whereabouts of the bodies.

Maybe you also want to repeal Claire's Law because it empowers women over male abusers? Anything to hand power back to men.

@ProfessorSlocombe

With all due respect you are acting like we are locking people up indefinitely without trial or appeal. That's not the case.

This law talks about parole for convicted criminals. Part of parole eligibility is demonstrating remorse and taking responsibility for your actions. I would think admitting where you Bury your victims body and giving your victims family peace would be a good way to demonstrate both of those qualities.

As an aside, when can we call someone a criminal? So many times we are told to wait for a trial and an appeal etc well in this case we have and we are still being told off....