Chwarae Teg - supposed to champion women and Girls in Wales...

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Has anyone else seen the tweet ?
They are supposed to champion women and Girls in business and their latest campaign for data collection starts "do you identify as a woman or girl..." and they don't see the issue with that as a question for a data gathering exercise for barriers that women and girls face. The CEO has stated that TWAW and that's it. There is no consideration that the data will be (at best) skewed...

Alot of replies asking for clarification and boundaries, which is good.

twitter.com/chwaraeteg/status/1323250785023643649?s=19

Yup, and I'm one of the hundreds of helpful people who have kindly volunteered to identify as a young woman from North Wales for their research, even though I'm an old woman living in England.

I lived in Wales back in the noughties and in those days Chwarae Teg (it means 'fair play' in English) were an organisation run by women for women and girls. Now they're an organisation seeking gender equality for anyone who says they are a woman or a girl. I'm sure bearded, bepenised Cardiff lesbian Alex Drummond is a fan.

This, from the CEO, is not so good.

Is she 15? Why are all these supposedly professional people so awful at social media?

Nice ratio though.

The thing is, the experience of transwomen will be different to that of women and girls. I don't doubt that transwomen experience discrimination at work and elsewhere but it's coming from an entirely different place. They will have faced different barriers, they have different experiences, and the barriers they face going forward will be different as well (eg. Maternity rights, discrimination being based on being a woman of childbearing age, flexible working around kids etc).

The barriers a woman faces because of her female body are not the same as the barriers a transwoman faces. They need approaching and tackling differently. And if you are thinking about barriers that a transwoman faces, then you are not concentrating your efforts on women and girls as you are claiming to do.

How is this so difficult to understand?

Like, great, she is in support of trans rights - what does that have to do with helping women and girls?

So basically they want to help males who identify as women and girls to break down the barriers of pesky females.

I can't see them getting any useful data out of this.

Some good replies which will no doubt be ignored:

"So do boys or men who identify as girls or women experience the same barriers to career progression? How about pregnancy discrimination? Or difficulties combining work with childcare & eldercare? Does identifying as a girl or woman automatically result in a pay cut? #WokeMisogyny "

"Do you want to identify the barriers for women or everyone? You haven’t made this clear."

"Do you want those who identify as women and girls or those who ARE women and girls. You’ll get a totally different demographic depending on how you phrase it. What IS a woman?"

"You've added a barrier to young women by allowing anyone to identify as one!"

"Barriers we face are organisations confusing sex & gender. Sex is a protected characteristic, sex is observed at birth & is immutable, we can’t just “identify” in or out of it. Gender is social & not everyone has or believes in it. #Sexequality #sexnotgender"

"The replies on this all focus on the fact men can identify as women. They miss the far bigger problem that loads of young women now are trying to escape the issues you want to hear about by not identifying as women. You are excluding them as well as including anyone.

What does "identify as a woman" actually mean for someone who is female?"

What's the point of this? Are they getting funding for it?

Haters haters. Imagine being the CEO of a women’s organisation and calling women haters

And if trans women are women as she says how come they are called trans women and not just women

A lot of replies are identify as 18 to 25 and living in north wales. And why not? Surely the barriers faced by someone who is actually 45 and living in Lincoln ARE the barriers faced by 18-25 year olds in North Wales?

"Do you identify as a girl or young women, aged 18-25.."

Is English not the writer's first language?

Inadequate.

I only identify as a woman between 18-24 living in North Wales on Monday's and Fridays so I'll put it in my diary.

Are you a girl or woman, 18-25, in N Wales?
Do you want us to help identify the barriers you face?

Hell yeah! Having people with penises, or who used to have penises taking all the grants available to me, being included in women's surveys, beating me at sport...….. those are the barriers I face.

@IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2

"Do you identify as a girl or young women, aged 18-25.."

Is English not the writer's first language?

Inadequate.

It's quite possible that English is not the writer's first language actually - this is in North Wales, where many people learn Welsh before they learn English.

Haters?! Someone please bring the adults in!

I used to live in North Wales. Admittedly at a time when people knew what a woman was (and the plural).

How times have changed.

This has annoyed me even just from a data point of view! What are they planning to do with the information they gather? Why is it not obvious that they can’t have any confidence in what they’re measuring?!!? And how does a CEO go o public record with a straight face calling people
‘Haters’ for pointing this out?

Chwarae Teg have a pretty ropey recent track record anyway, didn’t they have to backtrack on the shortlist for the awards a couple of months ago when someone pointed out that every single
Inspirational woman nominated was white? So it comes more naturally to their feminism to centre men than it does to include women of colour

I was recently asked on a COVID test form what my gender identity was. I wasn’t asked about sex. Ughhhhhh.

Well, that was disappointing. I'd just managed to quite fervently identify myself as a 23 year old woman living in Llanddona, but when I clicked on the link to inform them of all the barriers I identified as facing it went to a 'page not found' notification.

I hope they'll get it up again soon. We people who identify as young women living in north Wales have all kinds of important insights to impart. It's discriminatory, indeed, it is hateful to exclude us from full participation in this important data gathering exercise.

@Stealhsquirrelnutkin

Well, that was disappointing. I'd just managed to quite fervently identify myself as a 23 year old woman living in Llanddona, but when I clicked on the link to inform them of all the barriers I identified as facing it went to a 'page not found' notification.

I hope they'll get it up again soon. We people who identify as young women living in north Wales have all kinds of important insights to impart. It's discriminatory, indeed, it is hateful to exclude us from full participation in this important data gathering exercise.

Absolutely correct. They are obviously haters.

If "transwomen ARE women" why the need to add "identify as"? Isn't the "identify as" implying "transwomen" are not actually women? Surely they don't need to "identify as" because they "are"...? Doesn't that make the original message transphobic?