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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

There’s too much domestic abuse...

43 replies

Nomnomarrgh · 29/10/2020 10:29

And its too hard to deal with, so the Chief of WMP says the police shouldn’t bother any more.

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Smellbellina · 29/10/2020 10:34

Huh?

purpleboy · 29/10/2020 10:46

Link?

Imnobody4 · 29/10/2020 11:15

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/david-thompson-free-police-from-handling-some-domestic-cases-suggests-chief-tl92d99c3
Sorry can't do share token at the moment.

My god the comments - here's a gem

'Exactly, hence psychological intervention, rather than already overstretched cops who are not trained in the matter. Speaking from my own professional experience the police should be empowered to seek a court order against those who keep returning to abusers for their own (and others) protection, to enable “the victim” to be the ones taken away and ordered to remain so rather than focusing solely on “the abuser”, which again in my experience is rarely useful terminology in the events that lead to police involvement.'

Nomnomarrgh · 29/10/2020 11:20

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892101/Police-spending-time-policing-relationships-West-Midlands-chief-constable-warns.html

Just when we've been told we're about to go into level three. Nice to know victims matter

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Whatwouldscullydo · 29/10/2020 11:28

Maybe get them all off twitter dealing with thought crimes.

Theres time to go to pride and picnics with charities....

Even time to put together paperwork to submit to SW.

ArabellaScott · 29/10/2020 11:38

Holy fuck. They really don't care.

littlbrowndog · 29/10/2020 11:38

Yeah fgs women stop getting battered and murdered

Let th3 police do important work

Battering and murdering women is not true crime doncha know

ArabellaScott · 29/10/2020 11:43

One angle I might agree with him is for some aspects of working with victims of crime - I can imagine the police aren't the best at this, it's not really the purpose of police as I understand it. But then we would need more specialist supporters, more refuges, more social workers.

And that's not coming, is it?

I agree with pp, ignore the 'hate incidents' that are crap jokes on Twitter or vague thought crimes, stop fannying about with fetishists at Pride marches and you might be taken more seriously when you complain about overworked police.

Doyoumind · 29/10/2020 11:44

So they just want to ignore it until it leads to murder and then they'll deal with it? Sounds like a sensible plan Confused

Imnobody4 · 29/10/2020 14:04

I've been out all morning and have been so distressed by this. Really he wants a return to 1970s policing where you get to deal with 'villains' and do car chases, you know real boy's crimefighting. None of this messy female and children stuff.
2 more quotes from the comments that have cheered me up a bit.

The Primary Objects of policing were set down by Sir Richard Mayne in 1829 and have not changed: "
“The primary object of an efficient police is the prevention of crime: the next that of detection and punishment of offenders if crime is committed. To these ends all the efforts of police must be directed. The protection of life and property, the preservation of public tranquillity, and the absence of crime, will alone prove whether those efforts have been successful and whether the objects for which the police were appointed have been attained.”

Nothing has changed since that time, so allegations of domestic violence remain very much the responsibility of the police service - no matter how much the membership of the "National Council for a Failing Police Service" may wish they weren't.

Seems to me like his officers don't understand harassment warnings if they're dishing out so many.

Given most murders are committed by a partner or other family member, it makes perfect sense to deal with domestics seriously whether an offence has been committed or not. I'm absolutely certain that the work done by officers in attending domestics and the subsequent work done by domestic violence units up and down the country will have prevented many further serious offences from happening, including offences against children who are often caught up in domestics through no fault of their own.

I would also add that this officer's comments are poorly timed given many people are effectively in lockdown. During the first lockdown, incidents of domestic violence increased.

Imnobody4 · 29/10/2020 14:11

This is the report published by Reform.
reform.uk/index.php/who-we-are
Haven't had chance to read.
A FORCE FOR CHANGE: POLICING AFTER THE PANDEMIC
Read the full report here PDF 175kb
This Reform Perspectives sets out recommendations for the future of policing beyond the pandemic. It is authored by Dave Thompson QPM, Chief Constable, West Midlands Police.

reform.uk/sites/default/files/2020-10/A%20force%20for%20change%20%20%281%29.pdf

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/10/2020 14:35

The same reason "sex" isn't a protected characteristic in hate crime legislation - violence against women / girls is so endemic there are not the resort to deal with it Hmm

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 29/10/2020 15:37

Crazy how they say "instead of fighting crime" as if fighting domestic abuse =/= fighting crime. DA is a crime. Its literally a crime. There is no fighting DA or fighting crime. Why don't our lives matter? No resources for this but plenty to police people stating biological facts on Twitter? Utter fucking morons.

NRatched · 29/10/2020 15:38

Yet they will waste police time by 'checking someones thinking' and twitter posts that may be a bit nasty. They also apparently have plenty of time to go round checking houses on xmas to see if there is more than the allowed amount of people there.

But domestic violence, nope. Who cares. Car theft and burglaries are apparently not something to worry about either. No time for silly things like that!

I am sure most police officers find this as ridiculous and insulting as feminists do. I can't see many of them wanting to ignore crimes, instead favouring hurt feelings. Makes the police look a bit of a joke when they do shit like this.

NRatched · 29/10/2020 15:40

@Doyoumind

So they just want to ignore it until it leads to murder and then they'll deal with it? Sounds like a sensible plan Confused
This was basically what my mother was told 20 years back. They cannot do anything about an ex who was threatening her, until he 'does something' then they might be able to!

There were multiple incidents involving violence and damaging property..and he never actually got punished until he assaulted my mothers male friend. Then it was all hands on deck for some reason.

DandyMandy · 29/10/2020 16:39

This is scary, but also not surprising considering the amount of police officers that are domestic abusers themselves. They don't want to deal with it because they're doing it too.

Nomnomarrgh · 29/10/2020 17:07

I hear you, @DandyMandy

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DrDavidBanner · 29/10/2020 18:39

Very good point @DandyMandy

But to be fair who has time to deal with DV when there are more important isues at hand, for example is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?

PicsInRed · 29/10/2020 21:06

If they bothered dealing with coercive control and post separation abuse, then perhaps dv wouldn't escalate the way it does. These men are repeatedly allowed - endorsed - to behave worse and worse and worse, with no way out for a woman (especially with kids).

Perhaps their jobs would be easier if they actually did them lazy man's burden.

Issue warnings and prosecute non violent coercive control and harassment - make dv difficult, inconvenient and shameful for perpetrators early on - a "broken windows" policy of dv. Fairly obvious, I should have thought.

ThinEndOfTheWedge · 30/10/2020 07:15

David Thompson said police should be freed from handling some domestic abuse and harassment complaints so they can focus on catching criminals and responding to emergencies.

JFC. And there was me thinking domestic abuse and harassment is both an emergency and criminal.

More ‘kerfuffles’ then is it for the police?

Should be sacked.

IDontMindMarmite · 30/10/2020 07:24

David Thompson should be freed from his job entirely. He's literally just said that the assault and murder of (let's face it) women isn't a crime.

As a previous poster said, far too many police officers are abusers themselves. This is why they sympathise with abusers, blame the victims, don't do enough about it and we need to kick up a stink about it.

He disgusts me.

BrassicaRabbit · 30/10/2020 10:47

Utterly disgusting and what awful timing when domestic violence has increased over lockdown.

And so illogical. Surely stopping an abuser earlier prevents repeated & worse crimes. Therefore saves time and money?

Also wasn't there interesting research suggesting the common factor amongst terrorists from whatever ideological background was a history of DV?

IDontMindMarmite · 30/10/2020 11:44

What can we do here? I guess lodge a complaint?

IDontMindMarmite · 30/10/2020 11:44

I might contact my M.P? The Mayor of Birmingham?

IDontMindMarmite · 30/10/2020 11:48

Don't suppose anyone has a sharetoken or can C+P the article for us?