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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

“It is our role as feminists to always be there, and to make sure that people know that we accept them for who they are.” So says the Executive Director of UN Women...

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AngeloMysterioso · 28/10/2020 17:25

Posted to their Facebook page last night (not Twitter though as far as I can tell)

www.facebook.com/unwomen/photos/a.10150211048801905/10157633781351905/?type=3

^“This was one of our Executive Director Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka's answers to questions from young people from all around the world. Watch their empowering talk here: unwo.men/ZyIz50C3PWp”^

So far the comments do not agree...

“It is our role as feminists to always be there, and to make sure that people know that we accept them for who they are.” So says the Executive Director of UN Women...
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HecatesCats · 28/10/2020 20:26

@Escapeplanning

Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka needs assistance in a hostage situation. Her captors have taken over her critical facilities.
Grin but also Angry
HecatesCats · 28/10/2020 20:31

@thereplycamefromanchorage

FFS. Comments are really encouraging though.
I'm taking great comfort from them
“It is our role as feminists to always be there, and to make sure that people know that we accept them for who they are.” So says the Executive Director of UN Women...
MichelleofzeResistance · 28/10/2020 20:32

If you go fully for treating everyone as an individual

This made me think though - those pushing this agenda don't. This is about some people getting to be treated as individuals, and living their authentic selves and best lives and being respected and included and defining their own identities and speaking their own truths and not being labelled and defining their own language....

and everyone else enabling them without any right to the same, and threats if they fail to obey. There is most definitely a class group of 'c* women' and 'tfs who this ideology is delighted to name and treat as a herd without personalities or needs or feelings or rights other than the right to shut up and serve.

It's anything but individualism.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2020 20:39

Quite, Michelle. It only works if women are recast as the heroic, silently suffering supporting actors in other people's films. Dispensing comfort and mummy-approval like sweeties. That is the entire limit of our role in this narrative.

fatblackcatspaw · 28/10/2020 21:03

@TweeBree

The comments are heartening.

They really are. Goes to show if you can speak out safely, please do, because it gives others hope and the knowledge they aren't alone.

yes 700 plus are giving it a good feminist kicking
midgebabe · 28/10/2020 21:11

Yes Michelle, hence my class blinkers comment!

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 28/10/2020 21:38

What the actual fuuuuuuuck?????

Thank god for the comments!

Goosefoot · 28/10/2020 22:15

@ErrolTheDragon

I'm not sure that this is a problem specific to feminism.

Are there any other groups, which expressly exist to represent the rights and liberties of one specific protected class, who get told their 'role' is to do something which isn't in their interest?

I explained my thinking in the rest of the post - I think it's part of a larger collapsing together of different kinds of civil rights or social justice movements, as if they were one thing.

And beyond that, TRAs consistently keep trying to hitch their wagon to other issues. It looks a little different in each instance but I think it's pretty much the same thinking for those who buy into it.

SebastianTheCrab · 28/10/2020 22:45

That comment is brilliant! "Women are busy." 😂

SebastianTheCrab · 28/10/2020 22:46

@Escapeplanning

Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka needs assistance in a hostage situation. Her captors have taken over her critical facilities.

I would hope in a real hostage situation she would know that her role is to accept the kidnappers and be there for them, not call the police ❤️

littlbrowndog · 29/10/2020 00:02

Blimey there’s stupid and then there’s really really stupid

And then there is getting paid a massive amount for being the most stupid

She has hit the jackpot

ArcheryAnnie · 29/10/2020 00:04

"Women are there to service men". Same old, same old.

She should bloody resign. What a disgrace.

Maduixa · 29/10/2020 00:30

Oh, dear, Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka!! I am so upset to discover that the feminism we’ve been practicing today and all this week in Warsaw and around Poland - where the church now apparently identifies as the government and the government now apparently identifies as the judiciary - isn’t really feminist at all. We should just accept the lies we’ve been told and shut up, yeah?

Well, the prognosis doesn’t look good here re feminists (or most other people, the way things are going) “accepting” wildly regressive sexist nonsense any time soon. And you can fuck all the way off for trying to manipulate girls to do so.

Actual feminists are setting a different example: right here, right now. If you can’t lead, won’t stand beside us, and can’t even even bring yourself to follow - then for everyone’s sake be a decent human and get out of the way.

HecatesCats · 29/10/2020 07:27

@Maduixa

Oh, dear, Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka!! I am so upset to discover that the feminism we’ve been practicing today and all this week in Warsaw and around Poland - where the church now apparently identifies as the government and the government now apparently identifies as the judiciary - isn’t really feminist at all. We should just accept the lies we’ve been told and shut up, yeah?

Well, the prognosis doesn’t look good here re feminists (or most other people, the way things are going) “accepting” wildly regressive sexist nonsense any time soon. And you can fuck all the way off for trying to manipulate girls to do so.

Actual feminists are setting a different example: right here, right now. If you can’t lead, won’t stand beside us, and can’t even even bring yourself to follow - then for everyone’s sake be a decent human and get out of the way.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Al1langdownthecleghole · 29/10/2020 07:58

Where 'feminist' means 'assigned support human at birth' and 'people' means men.

Thanks Michelle. I’m so going to steal that.

highame · 29/10/2020 08:33

accepting someone for who they are is not a major crime but my issue is her describing feminism in such simplistic, floppy handed terms.

What does her salary have to do with this?

NeedToKnow101 · 29/10/2020 08:57

A terrible attempt to rewrite the definition of feminism. Part of the sustained attack on women through language.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/10/2020 09:16

What does her salary have to do with this?

Someone with her salary and job description shouldn't be putting out such complete inanities. We sometimes write off various dismissals of women's rights as 'the intern being left in charge of twitter' but this clearly isn't the case here.

HecatesCats · 29/10/2020 09:32

@ErrolTheDragon

What does her salary have to do with this?

Someone with her salary and job description shouldn't be putting out such complete inanities. We sometimes write off various dismissals of women's rights as 'the intern being left in charge of twitter' but this clearly isn't the case here.

Agree, plus she has a massive platform and the legitimacy of a respected global organisation behind her giving her words enormous weight. She should think harder.
KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 29/10/2020 09:42

I have come back to this thread because I can't stop thinking about this, and I am finding it actually quite upsetting!

How did we get here? How did we get to a place where the role of feminists is 'to be there' for everyone else? That the role of feminism is nothing more than 'support humans for everyone else'? What about us? What about women? How could anyone ever read that and think, 'yep, that's a great feminist statement right there'?

What is happening at UN Women right now that this is what their Executive Director is putting out? Think about the women that UN Women support as well, it's so insulting to them?!

The only saving thing is that the comments are entirely unsupportive. I feel like I just need to see that solidarity right now, and on places like MN, because otherwise I would feel like all was lost forever tbh!

Please focus on helping people learn to take responsibility for their own emotional needs. Women are busy

YES ❤️❤️❤️

Escapeplanning · 29/10/2020 09:42

She's paid a lot for someone without the intellect to see through the queer theory whitewashing to the damaging impact of promoting identification to children.
Flying around repeating banalities fed to her is typical of these publicy funded yet unaccountable organisations.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 29/10/2020 09:50

@ArabellaScott

Quite, Michelle. It only works if women are recast as the heroic, silently suffering supporting actors in other people's films. Dispensing comfort and mummy-approval like sweeties. That is the entire limit of our role in this narrative.
I remember when the JKR thing first kicked off, someone commented on here that the reason that so many people so spectacularly lost their shit, was because 'mummy was no longer providing comfort' (they put it much better than that). That for a long time JKR was never seen as an actual human who might have her own opinions and desires, that she existed solely to prop up others emotions through HP, and that when people realised that she was an actual autonomous person with lived experiences and viewpoints outside of a fantasy world, they couldn't handle it at all.
Clymene · 29/10/2020 10:11

Her wiki page is interesting. She's a South African career politician and her appointment process is interesting.

www.iol.co.za/news/politics/phumzile-to-lose-all-perks-1564003

She was accused of taking her family on a tax payer funded holiday to Dubai when she was in office in SA and I also found this:

'UN women has spent more than $1,255,550 on travel for the director since Mrs Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka was hired in September 2013. Some of her flights have cost as much as $37,057! Also the UN Women ED traveled for 170 days in 2018. That's over 65% of the time not including annual holidays or public holidays of the United Nations! She also had strangely four visits to her home country of South Africa paid by UN Women.'

Clearly likes a holiday!

Escapeplanning · 29/10/2020 10:24

She's costing an average of half a million dollars a year. I listened to a speech and she basically just tells us what we already know for 30 minutes.

StealthPolarBear · 29/10/2020 10:30

"CaraDuneRedux

Feminism is about women's rights. Women and girls - the people with uteruses."
I'm sure that used to be the case. But a bit like woman no longer means what it did ten years ago, maybe the same is true of 'feminist'