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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

QT takeover of American birthing community

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tomandmigg · 25/10/2020 14:01

Here is an interview with a doula/midwife in the US about the top down way that women have been erased from birth. Not sure if it's been shared before, sorry if this is a repost.

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Toomie · 25/10/2020 18:31

Thanks for posting this, it looks really interesting. It flummoxes me that the birth movement has been taken over by this ideology, considering the focus on female biology and experience etc.

Having said that, I have a couple of good friends who are in that world and they are woker than woke. They talk a lot about the female experience and how amazing women are at the same time as holding the line that TWAW.

One of them in particular I can have quite frank discussions with. She knows I'm as fully GC as she is entrenched in gender ideology.

This would be an interesting topic of conversation and I'm hopeful that this interview may help me understand a little more about where she's coming from and help me phrase some pertinent questions...

Delphinium20 · 25/10/2020 19:04

My own GenX midwives - who I consider goddesses and still follow their FB years after my youngest was born - starting posting odd phrases a few years. I assumed they were being thoughtful of lesbian couples. But then I realized that they weren't even saying "birth mother," and I realized something odd was up. Good to see the younger woman gets it.

teezletangler · 25/10/2020 22:24

Wow that's a very powerful interview. I loved the part about one third of the way through where she discusses why the lesbian and the natural birth communities are so attacked and vulnerable.

The more radical natural birth/freebirth/homebirth side of the birth community is generally pro-women. There is another "birthkeeper" called bauhauswife on Instagram who is also amazing on these issues. She did a vlog called The thought crimes of JK Rowling that is one of the clearest and most articulate takedown of trans ideology that I've ever seen.

nepeta · 25/10/2020 22:31

I have sometimes wondered if the erasure of 'mother' is the point at which ordinary women will become concerned. When we have a 'Birth-Parent's Day.' But then inclusiveness would require the removal of the prefix 'birth.'

PickleC · 26/10/2020 10:49

Such a powerful interview and insight into how easily and quickly a service that should logically centre women and mothers becomes unable to even use those terms.

The part where there was proposal to even rename body parts to be more 'inclusive' was terrifying.

tomandmigg · 26/10/2020 10:56

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tomandmigg · 26/10/2020 12:40

Oops, sorry. I used a wrong word in the post above. Didn't mean any harm.

There's an interesting video by the interviewer on her channel about being very liberal and using all the right words and her family being very patient with her when she corrected them for using the wrong words. Then she changed her mind about linguistically erasing women from birth. It's called 'my indoctrination'. Worth a look!

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Delphinium20 · 26/10/2020 23:58

I finally had a chance to watch this in full and I just want to say thank you OP @tomandmigg for posting- she's made so many relevant comments beyond midwifery that I hope more MNnetters can have a listen because there's a lot of powerful messages about mothers don't need to be kind, they need to be fierce and protect children, and women's discernment is a far greater asset than our agreeableness.

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