Irish prison officers demand guidelines on trans inmates

[ArabellaScott]

From the Irish Independent:

' 'the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position' - '

www.independent.ie/irish-news/prison-officers-demand-guidelines-on-transgender-inmates-39637102.html?fbclid=IwAR1sG8A0-hU_Lz7ALG6S7C-01SJbdDUsmeJxdY-0A230PFJMlv23NQTd6EA

@ChakaDakotaRegina I know. It's a problem with no good solutions. (I am trying to be polite & not say what I really think or my post will likely just get deleted.)

It's a problem with no good solutions.

There is a simple and good solution.

@Aesopfable yes I know but we're supposed to be nice, & all that apparently entails. Frustrating.

When the issue is laid out so very clearly like this it really does show up all the bendy theory and word waffle for what it is.

If TWAW then there would be no problem with female staff searching them. And no danger of rape or pregnancy.

I would love to know what the female TD who sent the awful reply to a woman who posts on here, thinks of this really. I mean, I know she hates women like us, from the text of her reply. but what about female prison officers, female inmates ? Sorry to sound classist, but they probably represent many of her constituency and yet she is willing to throw them under a bus to keep woke.

Do these female TDs and MPs who represent women in working class constituencies really hate their female constituents so much that they are willing to sacrifice them to the latest left wing cause? Did they think it through? I do not know which thought saddens me more, that they know what they are doing and don't care, or that they have no clue what they are doing and cannot see any consequences of their actions due to lack of critical thinking skills.

@Aesopfable

It's a problem with no good solutions.

There is a simple and good solution.

No no no it's all very complicated. Celebrities and politicians keep telling us so.

Let's not forget that if that person had been carrying some improvised weapon, it might not have have been caught with the wand search. Putting everyone else in danger. Increasing their danger to the women among which they have been placed.

A male could be potentially violent, a rapist or murderer, but if they identify as a woman it all falls away and the fact they claim a 'gender' identity is worshipped and recognised as sacrosanct. These males are treated as 'special' and preferentially to other criminals.

Hopefully their union will fight for them. From the article, it seems to me to be fairly evident that they still recognise the fact that a male body is a still a male body.

That this was never thought of is just bloody ridiculous. So many blatantly obvious issues with selfID, and none ever thought through it seems. Though IIRC the Irish bill passed totally undercover of something else..but laws shouldn't be passed that way anyway.

I suggest while the courts sort out this lunacy..male guards 'self ID' as female for the searches. Afterall, it would only ba a bigot who questioned this yes?

@NRatched

That this was never thought of is just bloody ridiculous. So many blatantly obvious issues with selfID, and none ever thought through it seems. Though IIRC the Irish bill passed totally undercover of something else..but laws shouldn't be passed that way anyway.

I suggest while the courts sort out this lunacy..male guards 'self ID' as female for the searches. Afterall, it would only ba a bigot who questioned this yes?

The Irish bill was put through under cover of rights to same-sex marriage, which had lots of public support.

^7. Tie your campaign to more popular reform
In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for^ - p. 20 www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf

I've posted a link to this article before, but it's worth reading to see how little thought about the potential consequences went into this law before it was passed.

www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

Robert Purcell is chair of the Law Society Criminal Law Committee: “The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation, and it puts the Prison Service and the courts in a difficult position because, obviously, if somebody is self-declaring that they have to be recognised, then they have to be dealt with on that basis, even though physically, they have not have made the [physical] transformation.

“I don’t think the legislation envisaged the ability of transgender people to be able to self-declare; and it didn’t foresee the problems it would cause if a transgender, self-declared person was held in a mixed prison,” he said.

Since they passed a law which meant transgender people could self declare, why didn't they think about the problems which could arise if transgender people were able to self declare?

Because the entire and while narrative sold is with transwomen as vulnerable, suffering and oppressed. Some 7ndoubtedly are. What was somehow overlooked was that being vulnerable, suffering and being oppressed doesn't preclude someone from also being capable of presenting a risk to others.

This frankly bizarre narrative is still swallowed wholesale by some people, who will state verbatim that transwomen present no risk to women. I see it frequently. As if declaring oneself a woman somehow renders a man incapable of causing harm.

I presume it's a basic failure of logic or something. It's led us to this absurd situation. 'Those who would have us believe absurdities...'