Women targeted in stabbings in Belfast

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Three women stabbed and two more punched in the neck/head. Motive isn't clear yet but I'm guessing it's no coincidence that the victims are all women.

thank you DeliciouslyFemale. I was trying to resist commenting on the derail but the sheer ignorant stupidity of that last numerical comparison might have pushed me into doing it. I'm just going to repeat your comment instead for emphasis.

Jesus H Christ!

Can we really not discuss a single incident of Male violence against women without someone telling us that men have it worse??

Really?

What is the compulsion to do that all about? Look within yourself and try and find out why you feel you must do that @kattyboomboom. Meanwhile, let those of us discussing the 6 female victims of this one man, discuss them.

There has apparently been an arrest.

Excellent, now let’s see what NI justice he (if the guilty party) is handed. Let me guess, a slap on the wrist fine and suspended sentence.

@Smallsteps88

Excellent, now let’s see what NI justice he (if the guilty party) is handed. Let me guess, a slap on the wrist fine and suspended sentence.

And a statement from the judge about how the damage to his reputation is punishment in itself.

I’m sure he’ll promise never to do it again and all will be forgiven. Is it wrong that I hope he assaulted the daughter of someone ‘connected’?

Indeed!

There has been. www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/belfast-police-probing-six-alleged-19112718

Thank goodness.

Thank you FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack.

Can we really not discuss a single incident of Male violence against women without someone telling us that men have it worse.

Can we really not discuss a single incident of Male violence against women without someone telling us that women have it worse?? 🤷‍♀️

This is what puts me off feminism. It can never just be about focusing on women's problems, it always has to be about minimising men's problems too.

I was responding to the poster that said that the killer would already have been caught had the victims been men, which is a bit of a bold claim considering that men suffer much more violence and yet the focus is always VAWG. She didn't need to make that comment. It's why the vast majority of women don't want to label themselves feminists, because it's got so many anti men followers.

It's a shame because I agree with so much of what is said on here, but I'll never label myself a feminist whilst it has the connotations that I must try and undermine half the population.

I'm disgusted when feminists actively campaign against things like IMD, and I often wonder if it's this constant minimisation that causes some to do so - they actually start to believe that men are making a fuss about nothing, when they actually suffer the most from toxic masculinity.

Well, I remember it being cancelled at one of the big UK universities after several hundred feminists complained. Several thousand outraged people then signed a petition to have it reinstated but it wasn't and the feminist society released a smug statement saying that the uni 'was going to continue to focus resources on the problems faced by women'.

I remember there being an outcry and it being in the news as a male student had committed suicide the day before (ironic as it was to be a day to talk about male suicide).

It's stuff like this that gives feminists a bad name and I can well imagine some on here protesting such an event.

It was York University.

"Hurr durr, men are victims of violence more frequently than women."
Yes, by other men. It's not women running around the world stabbing and shooting people.

Wouldn't be surprised to find out these were some incel scumbags again.

kattyboomboom am a feminist and there isn't one kind of feminist. Nor is there a perfect feminism (or any kind of perfect movement even if it's a justice movement). Being anti-feminist or non-feminist is not an option for me. Not with leaders like Trump or movements to erase or minimise women getting a new progressive gloss over them. I might disagree with some assertions here but cannot agree with the whataboutery of men suffer more violence. Army conscription as violence on a thread about women being stabbed? Oh so many things I could say about violence against women (and men) from womb to grave (how many female foetuses Vs male foetuses are aborted? How many women are abandoned/divorced or disposed for giving birth to a girl, how many men are victims of drugs trade, how many women are victims of trafficking and by whom etc) but that's not the point of the thread is it?

Yes, by other men. It's not women running around the world stabbing and shooting people.

The main problem with most modern feminism for me is the lumping of men into some amorphous mass.

What's your point above? Is a gay male who gets beaten to a pulp by a homophobic thug supposed to shrug his shoulders and say "oh well, at least it was another male". What about George Floyd?

Men don't 'have it easy' like many feminists assert. They arguably just have it better than women - and I say arguably because there are likely more men at the bottom than at the top when you consider the homeless/suicides etc, but people focus more on the white women's preoccupation with CEOs etc.

I think this discussion has run it's course but feminists would do well to reflect why the vast majority of women don't want to be labelled feminists despite supporting equality. I believe the latest figure is 93% which includes myself.

I periodically come on here to give it another chance but every time end up being put off by what seems to largely be privileged white women hating on men.

Katty - that is a big number you are talking about there - vast majority of women......

Links to the research/data please?

Only 7 per cent of Britons consider themselves feminists

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/only-7-per-cent-of-britons-consider-themselves-feminists/amp/

This is what puts me off feminism. It can never just be about focusing on women's problems, it always has to be about minimising men's problems too.

No, it's about not focusing on men's problems. Because they're already the focus of the world in general.

That logic is absurd. I'm assuming you are also put off the Dog's Trust for minimising cat's problems. And that you can't support Macmillan Cancer care because they minimise what it's like to suffer from motor neurone disease.

Feminism isn't about men's problems. The whole world is focused on men and set up to suit them. They are the default human. Why is it wrong to be allowed to say 'this particular issue is something that affects women'.

I've don't believe I've ever claimed that men have it easy. I'm not even sure I've ever seen anyone else on these boards claim that men have it easy. What I have seen though is that some matters primarily affect women and it's ok to talk about that as an issue on its own. By definition, VAWG doesn't affect men, so why would anyone discussing that issue be talking about violence against men?

Imagine for one second, Katty, that the shoe is on the other foot and it is women murdering men in vastly disproportionate numbers in this world. Do you really think that men would try to solve the situation via sympathy and academic discussions based around 'toxic femininity', etc?
If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. They would have dealt with the problem a long time ago and in ways, I don't necessarily want to imagine. Excessive female on male violence would be seen as a major societal problem and something to be dealt with. Since actual reality shows women as victims and men as the aggressors though, it gets swept under the rug just like it always has.

PS: I gotta go to bed. I will look at the thread tomorrow again.

I kind of see what Matty is trying to say. It's like the dogs trust saying "don't worry about cats, they don't need your money as much as dogs" rather than focusing on cats. But to me radical feminists and MRA's are groups that often contain large numbers of sexist and hateful individuals so I'd rather just say I'm egalitarian despite having many feminist beliefs. But you're wasting your time arguing on mumsnet women's rights section, Katty. There's somebody every few weeks with the same arguments as you and always goes same way.