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Article about online misogyny in Sunday Independent

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JKRowlingforever · 11/10/2020 11:10

www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/women-have-very-little-idea-how-much-men-hate-them-39608947.html

'Women have very little idea how much men hate them'
Stella O'Malley

It seems like Germaine Greer was right when it comes to anonymous online platforms, writes Stella O'Malley

We've had #MeToo and #TimesUp, we've even had #MenCallMeThings - and yet online misogyny continues to grow despite the fact that we all seem to hate it.

In the online world, it feels like the truth is not important; what is important is the cleverly worded burn and the prize is likes, shares and retweets.

Some people thought that the death of TV presenter Caroline Flack earlier this year was a line in the sand, while for others the recent hashtag #RIPJKRowling was the nadir of online misogyny, but no matter how dark the hashtag, how tragic the event, nothing seems to stop the hate.

When it turned out that, yet again, the claims of transphobia aimed at JK Rowling were unfounded (one sentence in a 900-page book referring to how a man used a woman's coat and a wig does not suggest transphobia), I decided to co-write a letter to the Sunday Times to highlight the online abuse she and other women were suffering, and invited famous writers to sign it.

Soon, 58 celebrities had done so, among them Ian McEwan, Tom Stoppard and Lionel Shriver. We turned the letter into an online petition. Less than two weeks later, 18,000 people have put their name to it - among them John Cleese, Barry Humphries and Sir Tony Robinson.

Clearly many people find the nasty, dark trolling of women distasteful - so why does it continue? And why do females suffer far more online abuse than their male counterparts?

One such example is Ciara Kelly, a responsible broadcaster (and Sunday Independent columnist) with considered, reasonable views, who is often annihilated when she comments on Twitter.

No matter what she says, no matter how innocuous, her tweets are pounced on by self-righteous trolls who know they will gather more fame if they are "appalled" by her comments.

The problem is that Twitter might feel like a cosy bitchfest - but it isn't. It is a public platform and people suffer as a result of the harsh comments. When asked how trolling impacts her, Kelly told me: "You feel physically sick when you see people writing awful things about you. I have lain in bed when I could hardly sleep or eat."

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Other Irish broadcasters with similar (or more controversial) views don't get anything like this abuse. So what is it about high-profile women that unleashes our dark side?

It is perhaps easy enough to understand why certain men abuse women. Some people have an intense desire to maintain power and control over others and men can use their greater body strength when more civilised methods don't work. But in the online world, where no one can physically overpower others, why is so much of the online misogyny centred upon sexual violence?

Dr Emma Jane, academic researcher and author of Misogyny Online: A Short (and Brutish) History, describes the sexually violent nature of online misogyny as "rapeglish" - an online dialect characterised by graphic and sexually violent imagery.

Women are abused online in an attempt to silence them and thereby reduce and control them. Online abuse might appear different from real life rape or sexual assault, but it is rooted within the same motivation - to overpower and dominate. A significant factor associated with sex-based violence is adherence to strict gender norms. People who have rigid ideas about what it is to be a man or a woman tend to perceive successful women as stepping out of line and seek to reassert male power and dominance with sexually abusive language. (Of course, it is not only men who pile on women - women also pile on other women.)

Anonymity means that people can let their dark side run free without fear of reprisal. We put forward saccharine-sweet versions of ourselves on identifiable platforms such as Facebook and Instagram - then, in the more anonymous platforms of Twitter and Reddit, a darker, nastier side is let loose. It's like Facebook is Dr Jekyll and Twitter is Mr Hyde.

Most of us thought Germaine Greer was overwrought when she warned us, "Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." And yet now, with the arrival of anonymous online platforms, it looks like she hit the nail on the head.

It's a difficult concept to hold and this is why so many of us rush to proclaim "Not all men" (so much so that this has its own acronym, "NAMALT" - Not All Men Are Like That). Yet look at the dismissal of women over the centuries and it suddenly feels disingenuous to deny that an undercurrent of misogyny runs deep.

Most people aren't really aware that they are part of a pile-on. They think they are "just being funny" or that the target "needs to be told". The thrill of the hunt releases adrenaline. The target is dehumanised and anyone who is perceived to be annoyingly successful is ripped apart. Spiteful remarks are gleefully repeated and people think they are positively Wildean with their clever ripostes.

It's hard to figure out whether it is getting worse. Online abuse is certainly growing and online misogyny goes hand in hand with that. Some brave women manage to face it down, but it is depressing and it serves as a silencer as many women choose to shine less brightly as they know their success will create more negativity than they can handle.

A recent NUI Galway study found that online abuse of women in politics is on the rise. Tom Felle, head of journalism at the university, remarked that "social media has become a den of misogyny, a cesspit of trolls, where many female public representatives are abused and bullied regularly". It is notable that many women seem to enter politics but also leave politics. The hours and the abuse both make it a difficult career for a woman.

JK Rowling has consistently lived a good and decent life, she is a philanthropist who founded a charity for vulnerable children; Ciara Kelly was a GP and is now a broadcaster who is transparent about her fair-minded views. These women are not villains in life, but online platforms have allowed them to be portrayed as such.

We need to combat this; we need to educate people about unconscious misogyny and we also need to educate people about our shadow side. Because it isn't just 'other people' who do this; it's way too common for that.

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highame · 11/10/2020 11:37

I do hope we get an article as good as this in the Times. It's really good

HumphreyCobblers · 11/10/2020 11:41

This is a great article. Thanks for sharing.

JKRowlingforever · 11/10/2020 11:48

I see - ironically enough - that lots of Irish people are slagging Ciara Kelly off in response to this article. Unbe -fucking- lievable!

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EarlofEggMcMuffin · 11/10/2020 12:47

Good article and thanks for sharing. I dont buy the "Sindo" for lots of reasons, but have to thank them for publishing this

Not that I think it will make a blind bit of difference.

7Days · 12/10/2020 09:54

I hate the Sindo as well, but well done Stella, top notch.

MichelleofzeResistance · 12/10/2020 12:08

Ah. Interesting balance to the article in the independent this morning about JK Rowling that said something like she was being attacked for 'saying letting people self identify gender would harm the interests of cis women'.

No.... that was not at all what she said, or the context she said it in, or why she said it which just helps the mindless misogyny, and don't be so vilely rude to women who have repeatedly asked not to be called 'cis' please.

So nice to see some balance.

wellbehavedwomen · 12/10/2020 13:42

Really good article. And I'm so glad she wrote that letter, too - JK Rowling deserves to know she's supported, and all women facing this onslaught of misogynist rage need to know others see it for what it is, too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2020 13:50

This is a great article.

Doughnutlady · 12/10/2020 14:01

Anonymity means that people can let their dark side run free without fear of reprisal. We put forward saccharine-sweet versions of ourselves on identifiable platforms such as Facebook and Instagram - then, in the more anonymous platforms of Twitter and Reddit, a darker, nastier side is let loose. It's like Facebook is Dr Jekyll and Twitter is Mr Hyde

This is so true, depressingly I have just been reading some online abuse this morning where women are referred to as witches alongside a cartoon. There are some hateful people masquerading as nice ones on the internet and it seems to be getting worse.

I have come to the conclusion that I would give up my anonymity to stop the trolling and incessant hounding.

Wishingstarr · 13/10/2020 05:19

I went on Twitter to support JK Rowling in June, was there for a few months and left. It was such a depressing cesspit. I can find all the information I need from other sources. Mumsnet Feminism is one of the very few places women can talk freely and I appreciate it. I find I am more productive and my mental health is much better if I stay off social media in general. I use the internet for YouTube, Mumsnet, news and now Zoom with 3 different groups every week. We are building community and it's literally 180 degrees from the interactions on Twitter.

The anonymity of the internet has meant all those social boundaries that so many mem seem to resent can be ignored, especially when it comes to hating on, intimidating and attacking women.

Wishingstarr · 13/10/2020 05:22

Its also a very good reason to keep your growing girls and teens off socual media because it can seriously damage their mental health. The platforms are created by men, they are not built for community and encouragement, but for competition, judgement and manipulation.

ChattyLion · 13/10/2020 07:38

Very true Wishing

ChattyLion · 13/10/2020 07:40

Though I think women can subvert the intended architecture to gather together in a positive way too- like on here. But do I worry about children and young people whose norms are being shaped by this.

ChattyLion · 13/10/2020 07:47

Thanks for this thread- I found some of the points raised very useful for the letter I am writing to the UK Labour party hierarchy in support of Rosie Duffield MP, who is facing all sorts of online harassment and threats pretty much simply for saying that women also have rights. The Higher-ups have only commented so far as we know, to say that she should reflect on her views. Appalling

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