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US poet Louise Glück wins Nobel Prize for Literature

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/10/2020 12:59

I don't know her work at all, but many congratulations to her. [[BBC News - Louise Glück wins Nobel Prize for Literature
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54447291]]

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/10/2020 13:00

Messed up the link!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54447291

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/10/2020 13:04

Thrilled for her but have you read the BBC article - nothing about her and all about last year’s male winner. Like the woman is just uninteresting.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/10/2020 13:07

Not much about her, but they did quote the Committee's citation describing her work. There do appear to have been some questionable things going on in recent years.

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PersephonePromotesEquanimity · 08/10/2020 13:26

Reserving judgement until I know a bit more about her work. Sure I've seen the odd thing, but not enough to have any clear impression.

Long career though.

AntsInPenzance · 08/10/2020 13:27

@WorkingItOutAsIGo

Thrilled for her but have you read the BBC article - nothing about her and all about last year’s male winner. Like the woman is just uninteresting.
Either they've re-written the article or we have very different ideas on what constitutes 'nothing' and 'all about'.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 08/10/2020 14:25

I don't know her work, but the Snowdrop poem they quote is terrific.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/10/2020 14:48

They have now rewritten it but still a chunk of the article is about last years winner.

ForeverFaithless · 08/10/2020 22:24

I think the 2 women who won the Nobel prize for Chemistry are pretty bloody amazing, well deserved.

www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/science/nobel-prize-chemistry-crispr.html

SonEtLumiere · 08/10/2020 22:33

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BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 22:34

Wow! That makes me very happy.

Had not seen her name mentioned at all.

She well and truly deserves it.

BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 22:36

I'm surprised b/C I'd read that they'd not choose a white European in the current climate.

She's a genius of a poet.

BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 22:59

There's a better article in TG (yes, I know).

DidoLamenting · 08/10/2020 23:11

Heavily influenced by Ted Hughes' Snowdrop

DidoLamenting · 08/10/2020 23:12

Sorry I meant to quote this when I said it was influenced by Ted Hughes' poem.

I don't know her work, but the Snowdrop poem they quote is terrific

BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 23:16

Poetic influence exists for all.poets.

Why bring Hughes into it? Have you read Gluck? Both Hughes and Gluck were/are tremendously accomplished poets, and there's nothing derivative about Gluck at all.

This was a good literary choice.

DidoLamenting · 08/10/2020 23:20

@BlackWaveComing

Poetic influence exists for all.poets.

Why bring Hughes into it? Have you read Gluck? Both Hughes and Gluck were/are tremendously accomplished poets, and there's nothing derivative about Gluck at all.

This was a good literary choice.

I've never heard of her until I read that poem. It instantly reminded me of his poem. When I said "heavily influenced by" I could have said "it was not a terribly original idea"
DidoLamenting · 08/10/2020 23:21

Poetic influence exists forall.poets

Why bring Hughes into it?

Oh dear - can you spot the contradiction between your first and second sentence?

BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 23:51

If, when a poetic genius who happens to be female - you clearly don't read poetry widely if you're unaware of Gluck - wins the Nobel Prize, your first impulse is to sniffily claim the only thing of hers is derivative of a male poet, you should give your head a wobble.

She's a poetic genius, whether you know of her or not, and her prize is utterly justified on the grounds of her talent.

BlackWaveComing · 08/10/2020 23:51

*the only thing of hers you know

CharlieParley · 09/10/2020 12:24

@DidoLamenting

Heavily influenced by Ted Hughes' Snowdrop
Sorry what? They share an almost identical title. They are both about the thematic concept of death and rebirth, a universal theme in art. That does not make one derivative of the other. I mean, disdain her if you like - our reaction to poetry is of course highly subjective because meaning is so often obscured, but I would want an accusation like that be justified. I do not think it is.

For comparison

Snowdrop by Ted Hughes

Now is the globe shrunk tight
Round the mouse’s dulled wintering heart.
Weasel and crow, as if moulded in brass,
Move through an outer darkness
Not in their right minds,
With the other deaths. She, too, pursues her ends,
Brutal as the stars of this month,
Her pale head heavy as metal.

Snowdrops by Louise Glück

Do you know what I was, how I lived? You know
what despair is; then
winter should have meaning for you.

I did not expect to survive,
earth suppressing me. I didn't expect
to waken again, to feel
in damp earth my body
able to respond again, remembering
after so long how to open again
in the cold light
of earliest spring--

afraid, yes, but among you again
crying yes risk joy

in the raw wind of the new world.

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