Some sense from George Galloway re JKR

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@SunsetBeetch

i don't think you listened properly jj. He didn't "once meet" her, she is a friend of his.

I have to say I do find him rather slimy. It might be that Big Brother cat incident...

Yeah if she actually exists. But that's what a woman means to gorgeous george, someone to paw at and patronise, to tenderly kiss on the cheek and then, with relief when she becomes a chap again, to give her a manly handshake, because handshakes are for manly men not girls. But he doesn't hate gays thank goodness he reminds us, not like his boss Putin.

You have gotta love George i disagree with him on lots but at least he speaks honestly and he should definitely not non platformed or cancelled.

But jj you said something on here which I profoundly disagreed with last week - how can I agree with you now re GG?
This purity spiralling is making my head spin

@7Days

But jj you said something on here which I profoundly disagreed with last week - how can I agree with you now re GG? This purity spiralling is making my head spin

JJ1958

Re purity spirals - my head is spinning too. Please tell me how do I manage this:???

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@7Days

But jj you said something on here which I profoundly disagreed with last week - how can I agree with you now re GG? This purity spiralling is making my head spin

It's not about purity politics it's about consistent politics and recognising there is more to life than the argument over trans rights. I wouldn't care if Breitbart or Quilette became the most pro trans inclusion publications on the web, I would never link to them or write for them because they are racists and misogynists and in some cases dangerously far right and I don't want to help them. And tbh the same applies to The Spectator, yes there are layers of extremism within the right, but I've spent much of my life watching the Tory Party tear up working class people's lives and in particular working class women's lives and I dont want to help them either. If there are occassionally areas where my views might align with theirs, then so what, I still don't want to help them, let them get on with their thing and I'll get on with mine. They have every right to their opinions, and to publish their views, but I'm not going to do anything at all to help them achieve their aims. That's not some crazy purity spiral, it's having some basic principals. Because if the likes of Breitbart and Quillette ever even get close to the society they want then trans people's right to access single sex spaces is going to be pretty low down the list of things any of us have to worry about.

I've spent much of my life watching the Tory Party tear up working class people's lives and in particular working class women's lives
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As if the Labour Party haven't also done that.

Look, women's rights are a cross-party political issue.

Whoever gets it on the right, let them talk.
Whoever gets it on the left let them talk.

While we're at it, whoever doesn't get it, let them talk too. Democracy is about sharing ideas not blocking them.

Quilette is far right?
Ive read some linked articles from there and it seems fairly centrist, I wouldn't bracket it with Breitbart.
I'm not a regular reader though to be fair.

he looks daft in that hat

I think GG is probably a total arse. As are a lot of people. But total arses can also be right. I'm not interested in judging who is saying a thing, I'm interested in judging what they are saying.

@7Days

Quilette is far right? Ive read some linked articles from there and it seems fairly centrist, I wouldn't bracket it with Breitbart. I'm not a regular reader though to be fair.

I'd say closer to alt-right, and run by an outspoken anti-feminist who seems to hold both second and third wave feminism in equal contempt and whose pockets are being lined and platform growing every time a GC post goes up on there.

@Babdoc

He seems to be a reformed character. He’s even fighting the ghastly SNP and their independence nonsense! I’m gobsmacked to find myself agreeing with him on anything, let alone two separate issues. But here we are. I’ll take allies wherever I can find them. My enemy’s enemy, etc...

Why is independence nonsense?

@SirSamuelVimes

I think GG is probably a total arse. As are a lot of people. But total arses can also be right. I'm not interested in judging who is saying a thing, I'm interested in judging what they are saying.

You don't think why they are saying it is also important? By understanding who they are then you often get an idea of why they said what they did, and in the world of politics that is important because few are playing straight these days particularly on the right.

I don't think who is saying it is important in the "how can you possibly listen to and agree with X, they're BAD and WRONG and so are you if you agree with them", no. I think that's incredibly childish and intellectually lazy.

@SirSamuelVimes

I don't think who is saying it is important in the "how can you possibly listen to and agree with X, they're BAD and WRONG and so are you if you agree with them", no. I think that's incredibly childish and intellectually lazy.

It's not about that. As an example, you often used to hear BNP and other far right activists ranting about Muslim terrorists one day and the next day turning up to an anti-Israel rally condemning the evil Jews treatment of the poor Palestians. Of course they didn't give a shit about either side, their aim was to stir up racial tension and often to spread disinformation. It was only by knowing who they were, and what they stood for, that you could even deduce what they actually meant.

So what insight do you believe you have gained about George Galloway's motives? What does he "actually mean"?

I think he's saying it because he's always had a socially conservative streak and thinks that men should be men and women should be women, but also because he thinks he's found a potential constituency amongst some GC people for whatever his political project is this week. He probably also thinks he can offset some of the many accusations of misogyny by trying to appeal to gender critical women.

And the fact he is saying it on a news outlet which only exists as a propaganda vehicle for a vehemently anti-LGBT Putin tells it's own story.

Ah, so he's always been a secret conservative?! What fine psychological insights you have.

@SirSamuelVimes

Ah, so he's always been a secret conservative?! What fine psychological insights you have.

No, not a secret conservative, but socially conservative in some ways - by which I should clarify that he's a misogynist prick who is vehemently anti-abortion, and thinks rape is merely bad sexual etiquette.

This is playing Bingo now though,

Gender Critical must now mention...
Right Wing
Racist
Islamophobic
Misogynistic
Anti Semitic
Conservative
Anti LGBT
Anti trans
Alligned with Putin

You've missed Nazi.

If you agree with Galloway on this then you agree with people who agree with people who agree with people who agree with Eugenics... Therefore you agree with Eugenics.

Rainbow logic🌈

@Gncq

You're arguing with a caricature of a trans activist that you've invented in your head, how about engage with what I actually said. Which was mostly that George Galloway is a misogynist prick who has waded into this conflict for the same self serving reasons he's waded into everything else and not because he gives a shit about women.

But really its about the truth though. It's the truth no matter who says it.

You cant hide the truth or disregard it because some bad actors will use it for their own gain.

And encouraging tribalism on the grounds of ideological purity is a really bad idea when it comes to proper critical thinking and any hope of a discourse that may actually get results.

Why is independence nonsense?

It's patently nonsense- far more nonsensical than anything involving trans. Given what is happening with Covid I seriously question the intelligence of anyone supporting it. What a mess Scotland would be in if the UK coffers weren't available to pay for everything.