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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
jakeyboy1 · 01/10/2020 19:58

How is this ever right?

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SerenityNowwwww · 01/10/2020 20:02

And he won’t be on a sex offenders register? His next partner could potentially just not know about this - my god.

How could a life be so cheap - he didn’t run her over with his car in an accident, or rent her a flat with a dodgy boiler - she died at his hands, face to face in the most horrific way.

Poppyisa · 01/10/2020 20:04

That is devastating for Natalies family, and for any of us that care about justice. Gosh what that poor woman must have suffered.

EvenSupposing · 01/10/2020 20:07

I can't even... Sad

Why are our lives worth so little? Angry

StrangeLookingParasite · 01/10/2020 20:09

22 months. That's all the judiciary think she was worth. Sickening.

Nackajory · 01/10/2020 20:11

Shocking. Wealthy male priviledge v female vulnerability. Its beyond belief.

QualityFeet · 01/10/2020 20:12

Poor her and her poor family. It makes me feel vengeful; I can’t imagine how they must feel.

EvenSupposing · 01/10/2020 20:12

Her poor fucking family. And her. Obviously her.

QualityFeet · 01/10/2020 20:12

Actually I hope they do get some solace from the law change. It all just so awful.

ChattyLion · 01/10/2020 20:14

This is awful. A complete travesty. I am glad Natalie’s MP Mark Garnier has given such a sensible quote on this, but surely there must be more that can be done legally? Her poor child and family.

Notcoolmum · 01/10/2020 20:35

This is horrific. It boils my piss this is justice in Britain in 2020.

He murdered her. He stepped over her dead or dying body to go to bed. And he attempted to clean her up. Murdering scum.

MoltenLasagne · 01/10/2020 20:43

Jesus, 22 months, its an absolute travesty. How was this ever considered an acceptable sentence? How could guidelines around sentencing be able to go so low?

I'd like to hear what the MPs who abolished the death penalty would say about this. They promised the public that even without the death penalty that murder would mean life in prison. 60 years later and instead it means 22 months.

BovaryX · 01/10/2020 20:50

This sadistic thug should spend decades behind bars. It is a travesty that he is being released. The sentence is an outrage. It is unbelievable that he was able to use the absurd defense he used. Natalie was murdered and then betrayed by the legal system. This is abhorrent.

Piccalino3 · 01/10/2020 20:55

I think about this poor woman often. I still can't believe what this man did to her and how he's pretty much got away with it. Natalie didn't deserve this, her child didn't deserve this and her family didn't deserve this. What has happened here is absolutely outrageous and utterly appalling. There are no words I can find to say how angry this makes me, how can this happen? At the time I wrote to the Attorney General asking for his sentence to be reviewed, as did many many others and that was ignored. This surely has to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice, I'm not a vengeful person but I can only hope he never has a day of peace and has an ending just as awful as Natalie's was. He deserves nothing more.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 01/10/2020 21:13

Oh god she is often in my thoughts how can this be justice? SadAngry

I hope her family & friends can find peace & that scum never knows any.

Socrates11 · 01/10/2020 21:14

Agree with all previous posters. Can not believe Natalie's life was ended like this & the bastard has not been held accountable. Absolutely atrocious.
#WarOnWomen

gypsywater · 01/10/2020 21:19

One of the worst cases I've ever read. He is a sadistic psychopath. What he did to her is abhorrent. And how he left her. If he was from a poor background the outcome would have been very different. Appalling.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2020 21:26

Unbelievable. Shame on our justice system. It makes me feel ill.

Love, strength and peace to her family. Flowers

queenofknives · 01/10/2020 21:36

Like others have said, Natalie is often in my thoughts, and her horrendous death has haunted me. This is no kind of justice. Is there nothing that can be done? This man will undoubtedly kill again.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 01/10/2020 22:20

The 26-year-old victim was left to die in a pool of blood at the bottom of a flight of stairs ... She suffered more than 40 injuries, including a 'blow-out' fracture to her left eye, bruising and internal injuries

And his next victim? When you’ve killed a woman, and been quite open about it, and you stroll out of prison a couple of years later — what do you do next?

nepeta · 01/10/2020 22:38

One of the troubling trends JK Rowling mentioned in the material which caused her persecution was this trend towards greater supposedly consensual violence against women in sex.

It was born from widespread porn use by heterosexual men, the growing acceptance of that and the male view of what sex is all about as a mainstream view, and the belief that masochism is one of the determining traits of female sexuality. The neofeminists added to that the idea that sex work is empowering and that being objectified in sex is also empowering.

To state any of the above causes people to call you all sorts of names as a SWERF or a prude. But there's hardly anything written today about what women might actually like in sex that wouldn't come from staged porn or that wouldn't privilege male sexuality.

Apologies for not focusing on the horrible central topic of this thread more. I do think, though, that it is this trend which makes it so easy not to prosecute rapes in the UK, and it is this trend which made the rough sex defense so common.

wellbehavedwomen · 02/10/2020 06:06

This is so unspeakably wrong.

ChattyLion · 02/10/2020 07:50

I wonder if Centre for Women’s justice will say anything about this? www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/ they are a brilliant charity. There may be no legal block to this but I wish there was.
He’s clearly incredibly dangerous and this is hardly a punishment at all.

FannyCann · 02/10/2020 08:05

It's no justice for Natalie but could Natalie's family bring a private prosecution or sue? At least it could cost the bastard a few £££ which is the only thing people like that care about and could provide some security for her children?

Wasn't OJ Simpson found guilty in the private court case that Nicole Brown's family brought due to a lower standard of evidence?

queenofknives · 02/10/2020 08:39

I would certainly contribute to a crowdfunder if Natalie's family have any legal options whatsoever left to pursue.

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