Re-writing of history - what exactly is trans?

[Siameasy]

So we are now to believe that:

Playing with “opposite sex” toys isn’t anything to do with being trans
Being born in the wrong body isn’t anything to do with being trans
Trans women never actually said they were actual women
No child was ever pushed down the affirmation route, had body parts cut off or was put on puberty blockers
No fish-like lobby group ever had anything to do with schools ever

Surely there’s blood in the water now?!

When you get to the heart of it, a trans person is someone who identifies as trans. That's it, and to be fair it's a position that many TRAs have been pushing for ages.

Obviously it's meaningless. Therefore it should be up to individuals to believe it if they want but it must have no place in education, laws, etc.

But how do know you’re trans if “trans” is not defined? 🤔

The people themselves know. They rest of us just have to believe what they say.

Tick tock.

But how do know you’re trans if “trans” is not defined?

Stonewall say (said?) it's anyone who says they're trans, for whatever reason.

It’s a bit like the mystery of God. You can’t define it. You just have to believe. That’s why faith is so important. Blind faith. Don’t ask questions or the whole thing starts to unravel.

This is Toto pulling back the curtain and finding an ordinary little man instead of the Wizard of Oz.

It's important for us to keep this in mind and make sure that this version, which Mermaids no doubt now publicly hold as their position, gets talked about and into the awareness of the public.

Trans means a self-declared identity that does not need to be assessed by anyone and does not need to involve any change in appearance, dress, nor any medical treatment whether drugs or surgery, and so the question of access to women's single-sex spaces really has to be up for debate. Get the public aware of that and it'll be a huge problem for the gender identity ideology.

But how do know you’re trans if “trans” is not defined?

The same way you can be a woman without defining what a woman is.

Yes. It's part of strategy that if all definitions become circular, boundaries become incredibly porous or even disintegrate.

I was going to start a thread on this very thing. We keep being told what being trans isn't

It isn't a mental health condition.

It isn't someone who is born in the wrong body (and how 'dumb' we were to take that one literally apparently!)

It isn't based on what you like or how you want to dress.

So what is it then? There doesn't seem to be much left!

The whole reason we were supposed to open up our spaces to males was because actually, they were women in men's physical bodies. Now, that's not the case?

If you are going to create law and policy on something, that thing needs to have a concrete, objective definition of what it actually is, not just of what it isn't.

It's crazy.

The same way you can be a woman without defining what a woman is.

Huh? No you can't.

A woman is an adult human female. If you are not an adult human female, you are not a woman.

See, it's easy when you know how!

Now, what is 'trans'?

Well we know that..
However when asked to define woman , they can never define it, as defining woman in a way which includes anyone who says they are a woman excludes most women.

I hear jo swinson have a cracking definition of woman live on air

Can I be trans ?
How do I know if I am ?

There's a strand of Christian theology known as Apophatic theology, whereby God can only be defined by saying what he is not. It's a bit head melty, and the idea is that you're talking about something almost completely beyond human comprehension.

Which is fine in metaphysics because you're talking about abstract, unprovable concepts of divinity.

If you're using apophatic methods to describe exactly why you are not actually male or female, and thus should have things ordered to your required parameters, not so much.

@Siameasy

Can I be trans ? How do I know if I am ?

Ask Leila Moran what your soul is like, maybe?

Has anyone who believes in this been asked for a definition?
We've been asking what is a woman? Now we can ask what does it mean to be trans? (please answer without using the word 'trans' as part of your definition)

Yes, it’s time a clear and non-circular definition was published by the people who have had laws passed to force us to pretend we believe it. Whatever it is.

Has the cult-likemantra "TWAW" vanished then?

It shouldn’t be this difficult to define what trans is. So I looked at what Mermaids are saying, hoping for a definitive answer...

Discussing gender identity is difficult enough, but for children and their families it can feel impossible to put things into words

They always ask ‘how did you know your child was trans?’ and there’s no easy answer because it’s not about me knowing; it’s about the child knowing for themselves

It isn’t the parent who ‘decides’ their child is trans. In fact, many if not most of the people who come to Mermaids seeking support find it difficult to accept what their child is telling them at first. Trans identity comes from trans individuals, and nobody else.

None the wiser

So nothing but an inner belief in ones own transness is required & on the basis of that we should we write our entire legal system & social contract

Well that’s completely reasonable! 🤦🏻‍♀️

I wonder if little OJ can help out? He definitely knows that TWAW, so he might still be using the mantra and I'm sure he can enlighten us all about what trans is

I think if a reasonable or workable definition exists, it has to be based on diagnosed gender dysphoria. The choice to present as the opposite sex as a way of managing dysphoria is something which I think many people would agree deserves some special protections (provided that they do not conflict with sex-based protections). All the other noise - trans as an 'aesthetic preference' (to put it charitably) or as an ideology -- is just a lifestyle choice at best, and at worst a potentially misguided approach for dealing with other emotional problems or personal dissatisfactions.

In my opinion, if the definition is purely based on dysphoria, then the debate could turn to more proportional, rational conversations about finding compassionate and fair solutions for dysphoria sufferers, and it can stop being sold as some cure-all or positive lifestyle choice, which seems to be basis on which the TRAs have been fighting for privileges they have no claim to.