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Good news for those who love free speech and the Co-op!

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 26/09/2020 23:07

What a fantastic week this has been! Rounded off, for me, by discovering that the Co-op has dropped its silly spat with the Spectator.

I love the Co-op's genuine ethics and support for low-income communities. And, while opposing The Spectator's rightwing economic views, I have recently come to love its support for women's rights and child safeguarding [waves to James Kirkup].

But they fell out earlier this month, I discovered from Mumsnet, my reliable source of feminist news.

A transactivist had complained about the Co-op advertising in The Spectator, so the Co-op's Twitter team said they would consider dropping the adverts. At which point the Spectator's boss Andrew Neil said he was banning the Co-op's ads from the magazine -- in perpetuity.

I would have cheered, if it hadn't been the dear old Co-op getting put down.

Now today I've read that the Co-op never authorised that silly tweet.

The Spectator's editor Fraser Nelson explains:
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectator-the-co-op-and-cancel-culture-a-cautionary-tale

The Spectator has a policy of refusing to deal with corporates who indulge in such cancel culture. It’s a firm principle of ours, but not one I expected to apply to the Co-op – which is one of the few outfits to have explicitly stated its commitment to diversity of opinion.

I emailed the Co-op to ask what on earth had happened, .... As I suspected, they had been targeted by a troll farm called Stop Funding Hate which goes after corporates who advertise in publications with which they disagree. The idea is to find 30 or 40 activists – sometimes far fewer – to target the corporation’s Twitter account and persuade the social media manager that there’s some kind of a national uproar.

If this trick works, the terrified social media team cave in to their demands and offer some kind of apology.... The theory behind Stop Funding Hate is that publications get most of their money from advertisers, not readers – so pressure exerted via advertisers can work.

The ploy backfired when supporters of women's rights and free speech rushed to take out subscriptions to The Spectator and threatened to boycott the Co-op.

But the Co-op was innocent. The tweet had been unauthorised, and breached Co-op policy. The Co-op was not withdrawing its ads from one of the few big publications that speaks up for women.

The Spectator's policy of a ‘lifetime ban’ is to make it clear to corporates that they cannot coming crawling back once the Twitterstorm is over and make a private apology to a publication it publicly condemns, Nelson writes.

But with the Co-op, we have accepted that this was genuinely a mistake. So we have made up. We have an advert from them appearing next month. And we ordered some of their own-brand champagne to the office

I'll drink to the Co-op and our friends on The Spectator. Cheers Wine

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MollyButton · 26/09/2020 23:14

Good news

persistentwoman · 26/09/2020 23:20

A nice lesson in how to respond to an error graciously. And as there seem to be a lot of errors being acknowledged at the moment (goodness, that's not what we meant - wrong body? no such thing....) it will be interested to see whether other organisations get the Spectator treatment.

Antibles · 26/09/2020 23:23

Good news Wine. I like the Spectator and the Co-op.

Thanks OP

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/09/2020 23:24

I do like a story with a happy ending Smile

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 26/09/2020 23:25

Cheers OP! 🥂

Datun · 26/09/2020 23:35

That's good. And all very nicely written, straightforward, and normal.

It's also interesting that the Dof E have instructed teachers to tell children in school that "seeking to get people cancelled (e.g. having them removed from a position of authority or job) simply because you disagree with them, is a form of bullying and is not acceptable."

I don't know how many corporations, or advertisers would take any notice of that. But they might have to end up explaining to their children why they are flouting it, at some point.

doublehalo · 26/09/2020 23:36

The tweet was unauthorised? What a load of shite.

PhoebeSnow · 26/09/2020 23:38

Great news to end a brilliant week, let’s not get complacent though, there are plenty of other companies who have bought into the bullshit.

BatShite · 26/09/2020 23:47

I don't believe it was unauthorised, I think they shat themselves at the pushback, thats it. But they cannot say that..

However, quite happy with the situation as it is tbh

Loving stop funding hate being described as a trollfarm. Its the correct description for them these days

CitizenFame · 27/09/2020 00:23

@BatShite

I don't believe it was unauthorised, I think they shat themselves at the pushback, thats it. But they cannot say that..

However, quite happy with the situation as it is tbh

Loving stop funding hate being described as a trollfarm. Its the correct description for them these days

I can very well believe it was unauthorised. I think a lot of businesses put young people in charge of their social media accounts and young people, probably through a combination of a lack of professional experience and being too familiar with social media, start to treat it as their own personal account. It’s not just the Co-Op, although theirs was the one that was thrust into the limelight - there have been countless examples of large organisations posting unprofessional and even hostile tweets. Perhaps it was The Spectators stance and the fact that their subscriptions shot up indicating that the general public agreed with them was what made Co-Op take a stand and speak out unlike the others.
BatShite · 27/09/2020 00:26

Hmm maybe,

I would say sticking someone with no training, experience or guidelines on their official twitter without any oversight is kind of authorising everything that person decides to type though really! Its asking for trouble, and if a lot of companies are doing that, hopefully this will be a lesson to them.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/09/2020 00:34

Good. Well done The Spectator and Andrew Neil. And glad the Co-op did this accidentally and sorted it out quickly and sensibly.
Hopefully other companies will take note that they need a professional dealing with their SM, and also that they need to view pressure groups with caution or even scepticism.

CitizenFame · 27/09/2020 06:22

@BatShite

Hmm maybe,

I would say sticking someone with no training, experience or guidelines on their official twitter without any oversight is kind of authorising everything that person decides to type though really! Its asking for trouble, and if a lot of companies are doing that, hopefully this will be a lesson to them.

Absolutely. What a lot of them need to realise is that social media is not only a quick way to advertise themselves to a global audience but that social media is also a global 24/7 running advert. From the POV of the person/people in charge of the account treating it as their own and replying and posting in the manner that doesn’t fit with the company ethos, they’ve been put in charge of a ready made account with sometimes millions and millions of followers, a number they could only dream of getting on their own personal accounts. Probably go a bit giddy with power when responding and posting in such a manner trying to rack up the Likes.
madderose · 27/09/2020 06:27

But could some office junior type really decide they weren't going to advertise with the spectator again??

I loved Andrew Neils tweet when it happened. What a giant he is. I took out a sub to the spectator earlier this year, mainly because of their coverage of this issue. Love it.

madderose · 27/09/2020 06:28

I also bank with the coop so I am happy about this

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 27/09/2020 08:07

I don't believe fir a minute that it was unauthorized. A multi million pound business apparently founded on ethics and trading heavily on that association for decades, allowing a staff member to put their reputation at risk like that? No. I'm glad they have climbed down and hope if sets an example to others,but I shall continue to boycott the Coop. After the way they screwed over British dairy farmers,I shall never forgive them. Apparently Fair Trade and ethical stances only apply to overseas suppliers as far as the Coop are concerned.

doublehalo · 27/09/2020 09:30

I've just popped over to their twitter expecting to see some bogofs and seasonal offers but it's basically just a virtue signalling feed with something about food in shops every 20 tweets or so. That's a corporate choice and I have to say it's kind of nauseating to be preached at in that way. So happy I don't do SM.

Is it a thing yet? - 'worthiness fatigue"

Antibles · 27/09/2020 10:43

Is it a thing yet? - 'worthiness fatigue"

"Compassion fatigue"? Also "burnout" in carers, health professionals, people who have been under high stress.

LiveFromHome · 27/09/2020 10:51

I don't believe it was unauthorised, I think they shat themselves at the pushback, thats it. But they cannot say that..

This.

Absolutely bollocks- it was unauthorised. I don't, for a single second, believe that. Very good of The Spectator to allow them to save face. But lots of people won't forgive or forget.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/09/2020 10:55

I also see this as damage limitation. Nonetheless, they've come out and publicly distanced themselves from it. The more pushback against this kind of thing we see, the better IMO.

BolloxtoGender · 27/09/2020 10:56

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highame · 27/09/2020 10:58

Is it a thing yet? - 'worthiness fatigue" Love that, but I do think it's something companies need to be aware of. They've known for some time that it happens and their strategy seems to have been 'lets go woke' instead of making their Media people think of new and innovative ways to get us interested.

Personally I'm all out of worthiness, but not yet compassion

BolloxtoGender · 27/09/2020 11:28

Or ‘virtual signals fatigue’.... yep, it getting boring now, all that outrage, all that attention seeking, all that hypocrisy.

wellbehavedwomen · 27/09/2020 13:26

I dunno, did the Gloucestershire LMC really authorise this tweet, in response to a woman asking if she could write to practices to be assured of same sex clinicians, when asking for a woman?

Asked about women's rights, and sneered at while they stridently hashtag translivesmatter. Nobody asked about trans rights, you loon. They asked about women's ability to assert the rights the Equality Act specifically affords us. Your issue with that speaks volumes, and you are a woman-hating loon. (It's a technical term. Ask a doctor.)

Genuinely horrified that that LMC allows someone so nakedly misogynist to run their Twitter account.

Freespeecher · 27/09/2020 14:20

Fraser Nelson's usually rather measured so his referring to Stop Funding Hate as 'a troll farm' is quite a statement.