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The “Dutch Protocol” and impact on ROGD adolescents

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rogdmum · 26/09/2020 08:17

This is a bit niche but for those of us directly impacted by treatment for gender distressed/gender dysphoric young people, it’s great news.

Put simply, the Dutch protocol is how we ended up with the Tavi not differentiating between the old cohort of male adolescents who had identified as the opposite sex from a young age and persisted into adolescence. This group was the target group for the introduction of puberty blockers. They were seen to be mentally stable with little evidence of underlying issues (am generalising here, but you’ll get the point). As the cohort started to change over recent years to more adolescent girls who had not shown any signs of gender distress as children and who were presenting with a number of underlying issues, the protocol was equally applied to them as well- no questioning was made if the protocol was suitable for them as well.

This is now being questioned by the author of the original study and it is suggested that differing paths including where mental heath support might be more appropriate.

twitter.com/zaneemma/status/1309517727598481409?s=21

Link to paper: pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/09/17/peds.2020-010611

“ This raises the question whether the positive outcomes of early medical interventions also apply to adolescents who more recently present in overwhelming large numbers for transgender care, including those that come at an older age, possibly without a childhood history of GI. It also asks for caution because some case histories illustrate the complexities that may be associated with later-presenting transgender adolescents and describe that some eventually detransition”

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CousinKrispy · 26/09/2020 08:20

That's good news. Safe and appropriate treatment, rather than a rush to use the wrong treatment, is so important.

Winesalot · 26/09/2020 08:27

Oh wow!

That is good news again. And will start to pick apart this while ‘I am because I say I am’ narrative. This might also help Lisa Littman’s new studies to received without the level of hostility.

I wonder if the fact that Dr Cass and team have been doing their review on teenage treatment means that proponents that denied that the girls have very different needs are feeling the need to soften their views?

And will mermaids again be changing their website?

SisterWendyBuckett · 26/09/2020 08:28

Really good to hear this.

334bu · 26/09/2020 08:35

How could they get this so wrong? First the American research proving the "advantages " of SRS which really didn't, and now the research used to prove the " benefits " of affirmation and the "lack" of detransitioners is also admitted to be full of holes.

rogdmum · 26/09/2020 08:41

And I bang on about this but WHY were Mermaids allowed into Parliament to give evidence where they pushed for fast tracking of physical interventions? What clinical background do they have? What understanding child development do they have? Why was none of this questioned???

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/written/19540.html

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334bu · 26/09/2020 09:08

Both Mermaids and Gendergp used this research to decry the BBC programme on detransitioners. What are the chances they or even the main stream news outlets will acknowledge this?

NotBadConsidering · 26/09/2020 09:13

This is absolutely huge.

KatVonlabonk · 26/09/2020 09:16

Huge news.

QuimReaper · 26/09/2020 10:12

Thank you so much for sharing this OP, this is great - and not at all niche, very well summarised by you

QuimReaper · 26/09/2020 10:16

When was the original Dutch study?

Imnobody4 · 26/09/2020 10:21

Wow, maybe sanity is actually breaking out at last.

highame · 26/09/2020 10:26

@rogdmum you're a bit of a Star

NecessaryScene1 · 26/09/2020 10:35

This is a bit niche... [nuclear strike to foundations of recent events]

^ This is a bit British

QuimReaper · 26/09/2020 10:50

@NecessaryScene1 Grin

Thingybob · 26/09/2020 11:12

There is a link to the Dutch study on the GIDS evidence base page

334bu · 26/09/2020 12:04

Should we expect an update in Gid's and NHS advice because of this?

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 26/09/2020 12:13

Could this week get any better?!
Star

persistentwoman · 26/09/2020 12:19

Amazing. Medics being allowed to speak out about medical interventions and not lobby groups. Whatever next?

Furx · 26/09/2020 15:24

@NecessaryScene1

This is a bit niche... [nuclear strike to foundations of recent events]

^ This is a bit British

🤣🤣🤣
CoffeeTeaChocolate · 26/09/2020 21:00

This is so interesting, I wish it was more widely talked about

rogdmum · 27/09/2020 09:20

Thank you highame Blush I’m just lucky because I have lots of people who tag me into anything interesting on Twitter.

( Necessary just made me laugh out loud Grin Grin Grin )

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NeurotrashWarrior · 28/09/2020 07:34

Great news!

rogdmum · 27/02/2021 22:30

Bumping my own zombie thread because Thomas Steensma, the other main developer of the “Dutch Protocol” now says:

But the rest of the world is blindly adopting our research

www.gelderlander.nl/nijmegen-e-o/dringend-meer-onderzoek-nodig-naar-transgenderzorg-aan-jongeren-waar-komt-de-grote-stroom-kinderen-vandaan~aec79d00/

(Part translation in photo)

The “Dutch Protocol” and impact on ROGD adolescents
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Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 27/02/2021 23:02

I hope Biden has an advisor who is unbiased enough to read that article to him!