Report states misogyny should be treated as hate crime

[YoBeaches]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54254541

The report states that sex as well as gender should be protected as hate crimes where misogyny is only recognised in 7 of the UKs police forces.

Recommendation to be made next year.

It's good. But I wish someone would tell Clive Coleman he's got it wrong... 'If sex and gender become protected characteristics' ... It's maddening to see supposedly highly-informed people failing to understand that sex IS one.

Yes just heard this. If gender is a category , how will that work in terms of naming criminals correctly, keeping women’s facilities and so on? Coming from the Law Commission, I am surprised they don’t see the problems looming.

I've read it again and I think they are using the term gender as the same as sex. There's a paragraph at the end...

In other words, if we were to have hate crime in relation to gender, we would have to think carefully about whether that would apply to the entire population or just to half of it."

Given here are more than 2 genders, this makes no sense. And you can't prosecute someone if or a gender crime, if you can't know someone's gender, such as non binary. Or for those trans who don't yet 'pass' as their gender of choice.

I hope the review really does focus on misogyny as a hate crime, and maybe this will contribute to the trans debates today. The attack's in JKR for example are all hate crimes in my view, simply because she is a female sharing her views.

GMB have noticed. They have it scrolling on their news updates.

"Mysogyny could become a hate crime under proposals from the Law Commision"

Bit baffled. Sex and gender can't be confused, misogyny is against women and goes back to ancient Greek when gender wasn't a word (so far as I'm aware). Changing the meaning to include gender would be incorrect.

Considering the levels of crimes against women, it's flabbergasting, gobsmacking, stupefying that anyone needs to be told that hate crimes against women exist.

In other words, if we were to have hate crime in relation to gender, we would have to think carefully about whether that would apply to the entire population or just to half of it."

Huh? If a hate crime is committed in relation to someone's 'gender' it could be male being victimised for feminine gender presentation or a female being victimised for masculine presentation. What the heck is there to think about there - both are wrong.

So I think she actually meant to say sex there. A woman shouldn't be victimised for being a woman . Neither should a man... but in practice how many crimes are committed against men because they're men?

@brendansbuddy

It's good. But I wish someone would tell Clive Coleman he's got it wrong... 'If sex and gender become protected characteristics' ... It's maddening to see supposedly highly-informed people failing to understand that sex IS one.

I am assuming it means a protected characteristic in terms of hate crime 'law'?

You're right that sex is already a and characteristic under the Equality Act 2010, possibly the most ignored piece of legislation ever.

And can we be clear - misogyny of itself should not be considered a 'hate crime'.
The quote is, correctly:
misogyny should be treated in the same way as other discrimination when it is the motivation for a crime.

a protected characteristic

Yes it's actually a really poorly written article. It uses gender when it means sex, uses protected characteristic in relation to law rather when really should state prosecutable in law. I'm not clear why some forces have taken it forward as a hate crime and some haven't, you'd think it's either a crime in law or not an this applies regardless of what county you live in.

Might be worth an email-letter to the MP supporting it to get better insight to the objective.

@YoBeaches

Yes it's actually a really poorly written article. It uses gender when it means sex, uses protected characteristic in relation to law rather when really should state prosecutable in law. I'm not clear why some forces have taken it forward as a hate crime and some haven't, you'd think it's either a crime in law or not an this applies regardless of what county you live in.

Might be worth an email-letter to the MP supporting it to get better insight to the objective.

The article correctly reflects the Law Commission's report. At para 12.15, it states that the UK Government has two distinct definitions for 'sex' and 'gender'. To be honest, I though the hive did here too.

The gender part makes no sense, given gender identity is already protected. It needs to be sex.

( the Law Commission) also wants the "stirring up hatred" offence to be reformed, so it is less difficult to prosecute and gives equal footing to all the groups it affects.
Here we go - yes but, I keep going round in circles, round and round and round.
If we have hate crimes then yes misogyny should be included. But this creep into hate incidents, stirring up hate really bothers me.

@sawdustformypony can you include a link to the report? Would be useful to see it, it doesn't come up in my searches.

No problem. Here is the report from the Law Commission's website. There is also a summary of the report on the website too.

www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/hate-crime/
The consultation is now launched - deadline in Dec so definately needs filling in. Interestingly it mentions including Adding sex or gender to the protected characteristics. So we need to stress gender is not the word to use.

In our consultation paper, launched on 23 September 2020, we have made a number of proposals for reform of hate crime laws. These include:

•Equalising protection across all of the existing protected characteristics. This would involve extending the application of aggravated offences, stirring up hatred offences, and potentially football chanting offences to those characteristics that are not already covered

•Adding sex or gender to the protected characteristics.

•Establishing criteria for deciding whether any additional characteristics should be recognised in hate crime laws, and consulting further on a range of other characteristics, notably “age”.

•Reformulating the offences of stirring up hatred to focus on deliberate incitement of hatred, providing greater protection for freedom of speech where no intent to incite hatred can be proven.

•Expanding the offence of racist chanting at football matches to cover homophobic chanting, and other forms of behaviour, such as gestures and throwing missiles at players.

I'm concerned about their use of sex and gender, it seems to be an example of softening up the beachhead. They define the terms sex and gender, and then use 'gender' where they mean 'sex'.

this is the direct link to the full report;
s3-eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/lawcom-prod-storage-11jsxou24uy7q/uploads/2020/09/Hate-crime-final-report.pdf

Thanks folks

Stella Creasey is an idiot.
She retweets this gets one complaint, deletes tweet and blocks. I have no respect whatsoever.

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1308736642291765251?s=19

I saw this on Sky news today and I'm absoutely thrilled. Not before time, and will be fantastic to have a hate enhancement to domestic violence.

It's been on as a full story and scrolling. Brilliant.

news.sky.com/story/amp/misogyny-could-become-a-hate-crime-under-new-proposals-12079170

Surely hate crime based on gender rather than sex will be covered by being transgender being a protected characteristic.
If the hate crime is because you are a woman then that’s sex. If it’s because you are a trans woman and the hate crime is due to your gender then that’s a trans hate crime.

I caught the end of someone talking about this on the radio and the intentions sounded good. They would need to sort out terminology though and be very clear about the difference between sex and gender.

However, I'm not really in favour of the whole concept of 'hate' crimes. All crime is bad. That the concept of hate crimes seems to have emerged as an arm of identity politics does not sit easy with me.

But if we have to have it, misogyny should unquestionably be in there.

@Antibles

I caught the end of someone talking about this on the radio and the intentions sounded good. They would need to sort out terminology though and be very clear about the difference between sex and gender.

However, I'm not really in favour of the whole concept of 'hate' crimes. All crime is bad. That the concept of hate crimes seems to have emerged as an arm of identity politics does not sit easy with me.

But if we have to have it, misogyny should unquestionably be in there.

Yup, this is my feeling too. The concept of hate crime is a problem.

If they class it as a hate crime, where would one even start with prosecutions??? How would it be defined? Does making or watching violent porn count? How about insisting that men who say they are women should be able to go into and access single-sex spaces, no questions asked? About the total disregard for safeguarding and diminishing women as hysterical thickos for being worried about it?

Like I said, where would they even start with something this big???