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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Fawcett Society response to the Govt announcement re GRA

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Melroses · 22/09/2020 16:47

twitter.com/fawcettsociety/status/1308428220182781953

www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/News/fawcett-comments-on-government-response-to-gender-recognition-act-consultation

I am not sure what this organisation is for TBH nor why they are named after a suffragette.

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JamieLeeCurtains · 22/09/2020 19:16

None of these pontificating charities and organisations ever seen to tackle the clashes and dichotomies between the drive for the medicalisation of 'gender', and the drive for the de-medicalisation of 'gender', and the healthcare needs of 'medicalised' trans persons (eg those with shortened urethral tissue; those who won't 'get' the tortuous woke language on posters; those who don't know what effects of their meds are going to be because nobody fucking does ), and the ethical pressures put on the medical profession.

Escapeplanning · 22/09/2020 22:59

That statement really highlights the stupidity of demanding demedicalisation at the same time as demanding more medical services doesn't it?

It doesn't even help with mental health.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/71296/

Antibles · 22/09/2020 23:20

Very disappointing. They've been disappointing before though, haven't they, so I'm not surprised.

nepeta · 22/09/2020 23:25

@Antibles

Very disappointing. They've been disappointing before though, haven't they, so I'm not surprised.
Far too many organisations want to ignore the clashing rights problem and to pretend that the clash doesn't exist.
MonicaFree · 22/09/2020 23:28

The first line tho. They centred men in their response.

wellbehavedwomen · 22/09/2020 23:40

Stonewall: "Our job is to advance trans rights. We will ensure that trans people are centred in every conversation, we will ruthlessly attack any efforts to consider other affected groups, and we will ensure our narrative is the dominant one. We are tasked with progressing the agenda for trans rights, and we will focus on that come what may."

Fawcett? "Oh, we can't just think about women's rights, I mean, that's not very nice, we need to make sure we think about everyone..."

In fairness, Stonewall are doing their job. They're advocating for the group they're meant to serve. The problem is that women's orgs wouldn't advocate for us, or fight our corner, to the point that they wouldn't even keep the Overton window open enough for a discussion on women as female people to be allowed. Which is why they've been replaced, in the last few years, by orgs that make no apology in centreing women, and that Overton window is being forced wider again, inch by painful inch.

Fawcett have identified as redundant.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 22/09/2020 23:45

This is the first line of their press release. It could have come from any trans organisation tbh. You would never now they were supposed to be anything to do with women.

You really wouldn’t would you. Shocking.

Antibles · 23/09/2020 00:01

What Sam Smethers doesn't seem to grasp is that this is not a clash between two sets of rights.

It's a clash between women wanting to keep their sex-based rights and some angry men who want to dismantle them - for reasons we are Not Allowed to Mention.

We have to tackle the very concept of trans and publicise what it really is because, while I daresay Sam Smethers is well-meaning, while people believe in gender essence/brain in the wrong body, they will keep barking up the wrong tree and the door to further attack on our rights remains open despite today's great news.

smithsinarazz · 23/09/2020 00:14

@wellbehavedwomen Absolutely. I won't say Stonewall's stance doesn't annoy me, but it doesn't give me the same burning sense of indignation and betrayal as it does when supposedly feminist organisations spout the same bullshit. I probably would be equally infuriated with Stonewall were I a lesbian, though. Because lesbian and gay people are supposed to be who they're supporting.

wellbehavedwomen · 23/09/2020 00:18

[quote smithsinarazz]**@wellbehavedwomen* Absolutely. I won't say Stonewall's stance doesn't annoy me, but it doesn't give me the same burning sense of indignation and betrayal as it does when supposedly feminist organisations spout the same bullshit. I probably would* be equally infuriated with Stonewall were I a lesbian, though. Because lesbian and gay people are supposed to be who they're supporting.[/quote]
Oh, I think Stonewall gave up on lesbians some time ago, given their descriptions (in school resources, no less) of Get The L Out as, "a group of transphobic women." And yes, lesbians have every reason to be incandescent about that.

Stonewall anger me a lot. Their ruthless dishonesty, their demonising women simply seeking to protect their own rights. But not as much as the group actually tasked to support us in that, who make chocolate teapots appear robust and well-considered.

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