The Lib Dems transphobia meltdown is complete (Spectator article)

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www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lib-dems-transphobia-meltdown-is-complete

Good article on their new policy on transphobia.

Bothersome women used to get stoned, now they get Stonewalled

Nails it.

Very enjoyable article.

The Libdems have never failed in their wokery on this issue. If this is the way they approach the rest of their policies, they would be a huge danger if they ever got into power again. Are there any grown ups left in politics?

If you’re going to get chucked out of a political party for anything, misgendering Great Uncle Bulgaria is certainly an original way to go.

😂😂

But the last paragraph really nails it:
The Liberal Democrats say their list of transphobic behaviours is ‘not exhaustive’. No doubt, but it is exhausting. Progressives are so unnerved by debate and democracy that instead of pursuing political change through persuasion, they are trying to enforce a radical orthodoxy via law, institutional capture, social pressure and even intimidation. The result is as likely to be backlash as it is submission. In the end, though, it’s up to the Lib Dems to set their membership policies and if they want to redefine politics as bigotry, that’s their business. They’ve been redefining ‘liberal’ and ‘democrat’ for some time now.

(Not the first journo to have made the point that these days the Lib Dems are neither liberal nor democratic.)

Excellent.

Great timing by the LDs, what with self-ID getting the official boot. Members can now be kicked out for quoting actual law. It's going to be a mess.

Great article. Loved the Great Uncle Bulgaria line. Honestly, the Lib Dems really are utterly pathetic.

Just when you thought the Lib Dems couldn't make themselves any more irrelevant...

This is really sinister: "Specific examples [of transphobia] include asserting that trans people are ‘confused’.

But medical professionals know that the vast majority of children who think they might be trans are in fact confused and they desist from these feelings of confusion as they go through puberty.

This would mean that doctors and other health care professionals just stating facts would be transphobic.

"Specific examples [of transphobia] include asserting that trans people are ‘confused’.

Detransitioners have to be erased. The mere fact of their existence is heresy.

This is a great article. I think this needs to get as much coverage as possible, to make sure that these idiots never get into power.
I’m going to be showing this article and the transphobia policy to my mum this afternoon. She has been very active in the party for years - canvassing, leafleting etc, but she definitely doesn’t think that people with penises should be in women’s loos, changing rooms etc, and she is very likely, as an 84 yr old women, to make an ‘I’m too old to understand all this’ type of comment.
I expect she may be rethinking her involvement with the party after reading the policy. I certainly hope so, as I’d hate to think she might inadvertently say the wrong thing and be carted off to the gulag for re-education. She likes to write letters as well, so hopefully she’ll be sending one to our local LibDem MP who she knows very well.

Transphobia includes "spreading the idea of a “trans conspiracy” which asserts undue influence over media or government", apparently.

So in questioning Stonewall's reach/overreach, we are all de facto transphobic. Any involvement in legal proceedings to look at the involvement of lobby groups in the making of public policy is automatically transphobic.

Nothing to see here, women, know your place.

@PenguindreamsofDraco

Transphobia includes "spreading the idea of a “trans conspiracy” which asserts undue influence over media or government", apparently.

So in questioning Stonewall's reach/overreach, we are all de facto transphobic. Any involvement in legal proceedings to look at the involvement of lobby groups in the making of public policy is automatically transphobic.

Nothing to see here, women, know your place.

Nothing to see here at all...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Media_Watch

Is anyone else horrified by the revelation that they just lifted the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism and replaced it with transphobia?

2 + 2 = 5. Off to the gulag for those who disagree.

I always want to post this Spectator article when I read demands that women shut up:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

It is quite extraordinary isn't it @RoyalCorgi. That no one thought, hang on a minute lads, do with think this is in any way comparable and perhaps a totally shit idea?

*RoyalCorgi

Is anyone else horrified by the revelation that they just lifted the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism and replaced it with transphobia?*

Indeed. The lack of insight, proportionality and grasp of basic reality, coupled with insufferable self-righteousness is unforgivable.

The use of the definition is vile.

@RoyalCorgi

Is anyone else horrified by the revelation that they just lifted the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism and replaced it with transphobia?

It's an awful thing to have done, I agree. Did they imagine no one would notice?

Is anyone else horrified by the revelation that they just lifted the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism and replaced it with transphobia?

Utterly horrified yes.

I find it very upsetting indeed - and that's saying something considering what else is in there is.

Nice to see the phrase 'institutional capture' becoming a regular part of the discourse in the media: it's rapidly becoming something right there in the face of the establishment that they're going to have to face and talk about.

Well done MN. Talking about this stuff gets it out there.

Is anyone else horrified by the revelation that they just lifted the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism and replaced it with transphobia?

Horrified, but not surprised. Not surprised since the whole movement is built on appropriation of other people's lived experience (with a side order of "only, we have it worse"). At its most obvious, it is of course an attempted appropriation of what it means to be born female, with all the cultural and social baggage and weight of history that comes with that. But the movement typically appropriates the medical conditions of intersex individuals, the experience of Black people in repressively racist and segregationist societies, and now, Jewish people's experience of anti-semitism.

So, like I said, horrified but not surprised.

Appalling.

Well, those friends who queried why I wouldn't vote for them on the basis of a "fringe policy" that hasn't been fully developed yet, despite being gender critical (spoiled my ballot as felt i couldn't vote for anyone sadly) will have some hard choices ahead of them. No room for saying it's not a key part of the offering now.

Funny spectator cartoon

That policy My God. They are insane.

Great cartoon.

I've been a libdem for 17 or 18 years. I'll have a thorough read of that policy but it looks as if I'll be cancelling my standing order and writing to Ed Davey. He didn't reply to my last 3 emails (polite enquiries about his stance on teams issues during the leadership election) so I'm not holding out much (any) hope.

We're fucked, aren't we?