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Spike in stillbirths caused by lockdown

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bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 17/09/2020 01:17

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02618-5

Birth data from a large hospital in London showed a similar trend. In July, Asma Khalil, an obstetrician at St George’s, University of London, and her colleagues reported a nearly fourfold increase in the incidence of stillbirths at St George’s Hospital, from 2.38 per 1,000 births between October 2019 and the end of January this year, to 9.31 per 1,000 births between February and mid-June.

Khalil calls this the collateral damage of the pandemic. She says that during lockdown, pregnant women might have developed complications that were not diagnosed, and might have hesitated about coming to hospital and therefore been seen by doctors only when a complication was advanced, when less could be done.

Add to the list of ways in which the pandemic and how it's been mismanaged has disproportionately affected women.

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LouiseNW · 17/09/2020 08:22

I have never seen a person so much in love with and bonded to their new life as our son in law is.
I do believe they would have been equally emotionally devastated.

NewAutumnName · 17/09/2020 08:23

This is awful. So sorry for anyone having to go through this Flowers

The aftermath of other deaths (everything other than covid) will gradually emerge over the years - increase in cancers etc due to non diagnosis/late diagnosis, suicide and sadly as you say still births.

Nomorepies · 17/09/2020 08:24

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LouiseNW · 17/09/2020 08:24

Sorry, that was in reply to BitofFun.

Mizzler · 17/09/2020 08:27

Can we stop with the "what about the menz"? Of course men are devastated by stillbirth too, but lack of adequate maternity care is obviously a feminist issue.

Metallicalover · 17/09/2020 08:29

I can imagine this is true. They've changed the way they diagnose gestational diabetes for starters more women are going undiagnosed!

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 17/09/2020 08:33

@Mizzler

Can we stop with the "what about the menz"? Of course men are devastated by stillbirth too, but lack of adequate maternity care is obviously a feminist issue.
Exactly! And only women give birth.
steppemum · 17/09/2020 08:35

@Wheresthebiffer2

In a still-birth, the dad-to-be also loses his baby, so it's not really true that this is a female issue. Is it? The parents both suffer the loss.
well, it is the health of the woman during her pregnancy which has suffered.

Her health, impacting her baby's health, which then impacts the whole family.

IheartJKR · 17/09/2020 08:36

@LouiseNW

I have never seen a person so much in love with and bonded to their new life as our son in law is. I do believe they would have been equally emotionally devastated.
I’m sure your son n law is a wonderful father. I can’t believe I’m having to state this on the feminist board, I would like us to continue to centre women in our conversation without having to qualify why we are. Why is that so fucking difficult to understand for some people??

@BitOfFun Flowers

SpaceOP · 17/09/2020 08:40

@BitOfFun that's awful. I'm so sorry.

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago where a woman was saying she had a friend who was ranting on about how there were fewer premie babies during covid and it was because women were being left to get on with it and how good it was etc etc. But this natural birther type had completely missed that there was also a corresponding increase in still births.

The knock on effects of Covid are only starting to be felt. Maternity services are definitely a feminist issue but I'd had the rider that as @bitoffun can testify, it wasn't just women's health issues that were totally ignored.

Holyrivolli · 17/09/2020 08:41

@Wheresthebiffer2

In a still-birth, the dad-to-be also loses his baby, so it's not really true that this is a female issue. Is it? The parents both suffer the loss.
What a stupid comment. This is most definitely a women’s health issue affect her body.
Vebrithien · 17/09/2020 08:42

My waters went in mid April, at 26 weeks pregnant. I was rushed to hospital, alone, and luckily baby was okay and the labour could be stopped. Over the next 7 weeks, I had 5 more hospital admissions with bleeds and contractions. Each time, I was alone, with no visitors allowed.

DS finally arrived at 34w 1d, after an induction, following another large bleed.

DH was only allowed in to support me once I was 4cm dilated, however he nearly missed the birth, as I went from 3-10cm within an hour. I called him when it was suddenly seem that I was fully dilated, and he rushed to the hospital, to see DS born with one push. DS was then rushed away to NICU.

In NICU (in June), the staff were remarking on how quiet they were. DS was the only baby in a room designed for 4. They agreed that partially, this may be due to women not under the stress of working/less physical stress from working at home.

However, sadly, they also said that the babies that they were getting, were much sicker than usual. And they believed that this was due to women either not being able to access physical antenatal care (rather than phone appointments), or being unwilling to come to hospital "just in case" to check out reduced movements, especially as they would have to come.on completely alone.

In all, I spent a total of 17 days in hospital, alone, pregnant, bleeding and contracting, and then once DS was born, 15 days alone in NICU with a newborn. DH was allowed to visit briefly, but couldn't bring DD, which meant that we (me and DH) could not see DS together at the same time, as there was no one to have DD.

We were the lucky ones, DS is now thriving. But we've also been abandoned by the health visitors, he is supposed be weighed every two weeks, and the health visitor hasn't answered my messages for 7 weeks now. Thankfully, DS is my second, and we're not having any feeding issues.

All in all, it's been a shit storm.

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2020 08:48

Its unsurprising.

What do people think antenatal care was for and what is its point?

Reading stories about how women have had no face to face contact with a midwife or next to none throughout pregnancy its going to be inevitable.

It just highlights just how undervalued the service is and how being pregnant during covid has been an 'inconvenience' and forgotten story.

Its appalling that women have been left unsupported during labour too in terms of their mental health (not to make men feel better).

I think this will eventually come out in the post covid wash but i fear that there will be no money nor political willingness to reverse the trend in care.

hamstersarse · 17/09/2020 08:48

This makes me so angry and @Vebrithien I am glad your awful experience things are ok

We’ve become a one issue nation. It’s covid over everything. I can’t even see an end to the hysteria yet the collateral damage continues to mount

PolarBearStrength · 17/09/2020 08:53

Interested to see if this is national or localised. Looking at our trust’s stats we have had 5 stillbirths in the 6 month period March-Sept (2244 babies total). So just over 2/1000, below the national average, and in line with the target for 2.6/1000 by 2025. We followed the RCOG guidance pretty much to the letter. I felt some of our restrictions were fairly extreme early on.

I wonder if higher rates of stillbirth might correlate with areas where there are higher numbers of women speaking English as a second language or non-english speakers, as telephone contacts (which several appointments were switched to) will obviously not be appropriate for these women. It also probably comes down to the health literacy of your population generally and the factors that affect this. A lot of these things were definitely overlooked in Covid planning.

SqidgeBum · 17/09/2020 09:00

I dont find this surprising. I have been fobbed off by my midwife a few times. Up to 25 weeks I didnt even have a midwife in my gp as mine was shielding and they didnt bother to get anyone in. I was told to ring the triage line, but when I have tried to ring the triage line it just rings out. No body answered. Not to mention they have changed their message on the line to say the line is for 'urgent issues', so it encourages you to hang up as your issue may not be 'urgent'.

It's interesting that the stillbirth statistics the OP referenced are much worse than the case or death rate from covid, yet its just deemed collateral damage 🤷‍♀️

CaraDuneRedux · 17/09/2020 09:04

This is appalling. Sad Angry

Flowers @BitOfFun. My neighbour is in the same situation - it's a national disgrace. (Pretty much everything about the way this government has mishandled covid has been a national disgrace.)

islandislandisland · 17/09/2020 09:05

@metallicalover I was told the glucose test where you are tested before and after intake whilst in hospital isn't being used because they 'can't have people sitting in hospital for a couple of hours' yet that's exactly what I've done every time I went for a consultant appointment face to face because they were running late Hmm
They offered me a standard blood test, the results of which two midwives had to deliberate over before telling me with little confidence that I was all fine. Not convinced I didn't have GD at all.

DeaconBoo · 17/09/2020 09:11

It's worth reading the full linked article, for those that haven't.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 17/09/2020 09:14

@DeaconBoo

They have released some findings, which found there was no increase in stillbirths in this particular hospital which would explain the significant reduction in babies born with a very low birth weight

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.03.20121442v1.full.pdf

So certainly would be valuable to understand if certain groups of mothers and babies have been affected elsewhere

Gwynfluff · 17/09/2020 09:22

BAME groups because they have had more issues

Also mortality for BAME mothers and babies is sadly higher anyway, so potentially they will be overrepresented in these figures as well.

Most decent men completely understand that the physical act of bearing a child and then labouring, including C Section, and the post natal period (bfing or not bfing, and healing) are distinct and part of the female experience of birthing. We don't need to keep bringing them into the conversation and suggesting they aren't good fathers/parents.

PasstheBucket89 · 17/09/2020 10:14

So sorry to hear that BitofFun Flowers, its interesting to hear there was a lack of babies in NICU, I had to have my copper coil removed and fell pregnant within 2 weeks, Shock in my thirties so did not expect that at all, i fell pregnant in Lockdown, its my third so i know basic stuff but the care has been woeful, i need things like an Anti D,etc theres been a noticeable thing of, my community midwifes ringing me saying the records say you don't have this and this appointment etc and having to ring my hospital unit, back and forth, very frustrating, because I KNOW i need my anti D at 28 weeks i chase it up, but as a FTM i wouldn't have a clue.

PasstheBucket89 · 17/09/2020 10:17

@islandislandisland, im having that this week, crazy early in the morning morning, completely disrupting school, my husband working time set off etc,, just so we don't clash with morning clinic, Hmm to keep everyone safe, Hmm yeah i seem to age 10 years waiting for a consultant.

OverTheRainbow88 · 17/09/2020 10:27

Absolutely heart breaking and totally avoidable.

Sexnotgender · 17/09/2020 10:29

@Mizzler

Can we stop with the "what about the menz"? Of course men are devastated by stillbirth too, but lack of adequate maternity care is obviously a feminist issue.
God yes. It’s infuriating.
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