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''people with a uterus have been silenced'' - The latest Guardinista comedy article

45 replies

EarthSight · 16/09/2020 18:27

Oh lol. Just read this paragraph.

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/15/the-idea-of-too-much-information-is-bad-for-our-health-its-time-we-ditched-it

Throughout history, people with a uterus have been silenced and sidelined for being too emotional.

Now, we all fucking know that it was WOMEN who were silenced like this.

I am really tired of people trying to twist history to suit their political agendas, and I don't care where it comes from.

I've seen enough nonsense on Tumblr - people trying to trans the past, trying to 'transify' women who might have just wanted to break out of their suffocating roles. Every women who did not want to wear dresses is now a figure to be transified and celebrated for being trans to suit current political fantasies, and I think there is little to suggest that any of these women would regard themselves of trans in the modern sense.

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ErrolTheDragon · 16/09/2020 18:32

Throughout history, people with a uterus have been silenced and sidelined for being too emotional.
At least she didn't say 'hysterical' (though that would have been apposite)

But for some reason she manages to use the word 'men' several times.

FFSFFSFFS · 16/09/2020 18:45

Sorry what? Its awful that WOMEN with endometritis are treated badly because that leads to transphobia.

You what now?

And yep - funny how not a problem referring to men.

LockdownLump · 16/09/2020 18:49

Men’s mental health is at crisis point in Australia. Antiquated ideas that blokes should “just get on with it

Men's mental health? Surely she must mean 'people with a penis' mental health'

Blokes? Does she mean prostate havers.

How very non - inclusive of her!!

I'm disgusted.

Cattenberg · 16/09/2020 18:52

I wish they’d enabled comments on that article.

iklboo · 16/09/2020 18:55

I always think of The Life Of Brian when publications tie themselves in knots trying to avoid 'woman / women'.

people with a uterus have been silenced

'People called Romanis they go the house?'

It says 'Romans Go Home'

'No it doesn't...'

But much, much less funny.

Apollo440 · 16/09/2020 18:57

The Guardian almost never enable comments. They know they are right and don't need hateful and ignorant people telling them that they aren't.

Blue5238 · 16/09/2020 19:01

Oh ffs. She seems quite able to name men and trans people.

stonesandbark · 16/09/2020 19:02

As @LockdownLump points out - this is classic; men can be called men but women cannot be called women We can have men's health care, but not women's.

How can they not see this?

How can they not see their blatant misogyny?

MichelleofzeResistance · 16/09/2020 19:04

Baffled. Where are the cases of male presenting people who just happened to have a uterus that no one knew about being silenced and sidelined please? I'd really like to read about them.

Did the silencing and sidelining happen on them mentioning their hidden uterus? Did it happen due to a medical professional spotting it during surgery and putting some sort of label or public announcement out? Did people see it glowing in the dark and think "Oh there's a uterus person, switch socialisation!"

In what historical period did this happen?

Or shall we just be honest that almost everyone can read the sex on sight of almost everyone else, and responds to their sex based socialising to inform different standards of treatment? Like for example never referring to males as 'people with penises' but easily erasing females to ensure males or those who identify as male are not offended? Because there is it again. Sex based thinking.

FireUnderTheHand · 16/09/2020 19:05

But people with endometriosis or other similar conditions are certainly not the only ones whose genuine health concerns are dismissed as “TMI” – judged to be holding Too Much (private) Information to be discussed openly.

Wow, just wow. And as a segue into men's mental health. WOMEN HAVE ENDOMETRIOSIS WRITE THE FUCKING WORD.

We aren't dismissed because of TMI that is a really moronic take. We are dismissed because the medical profession does not see us as important as men; that our pain and suffering is somehow less important because we are female. It is also widely believed that we exaggerate or make up symptoms i.e. hysteria, there is barely any info for us and now we are being written out of our own disorder. What is wrong with these women that seek to erase themselves (and us)?

Flapjak · 16/09/2020 19:05

The word 'men' is mentioned five times, but women,
not once!! Trans 'women' want to erase the word woman unless they are included, dysphoric females want to erase the word woman, because they dont to acknowledge they have a female body!

littlbrowndog · 16/09/2020 19:06

Help help

My uterus is lost in space

FireUnderTheHand · 16/09/2020 19:09

@littlbrowndog

Help help

My uterus is lost in space

Grin

I love you littl

MichelleofzeResistance · 16/09/2020 19:09

Ooh and does this mean if I have a hysterectomy I'll instantly be unsilenced and unsidelined? Will anyone actually listen if I talk about the issues for female people and needs for female only spaces?

Cos I'd think about it.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 16/09/2020 19:30

But for some reason she manages to use the word 'men' several times.

Yes - interesting how ‘men’ - as whole human beings, is fine - but women are to be salami sliced into respective body parts in the name of inclusion and progress.

FloralBunting · 16/09/2020 19:33

How dare they assume that those people had a uterus? Did they check every single silenced person to see if they had a uterus? How can they know who was silenced and why? Blatant transphobia.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/09/2020 19:37

@MichelleofzeResistance

Ooh and does this mean if I have a hysterectomy I'll instantly be unsilenced and unsidelined? Will anyone actually listen if I talk about the issues for female people and needs for female only spaces?

Cos I'd think about it.

No, I think the way it works is that you'd then be invisible as well as inaudible. Sorry.
OvaHere · 16/09/2020 19:42

Oh FFS!

MichelleofzeResistance · 16/09/2020 19:46

No, I think the way it works is that you'd then be invisible as well as inaudible. Sorry.

But... but... but they said that only happened to people with uteruses?

ErrolTheDragon · 16/09/2020 19:48

@MichelleofzeResistance

No, I think the way it works is that you'd then be invisible as well as inaudible. Sorry.

But... but... but they said that only happened to people with uteruses?

See what I mean? The group you're trying to refer to is invisible.
Namechangetoavoidmra · 16/09/2020 19:54

It’s weird because the blurb on her website about her book states the following:

“ My body dictates who I am. I work the way I do because of my body, I vote the way I do because of my body and I live the way I do because of my body. It is not my body that is at fault, but society’s failure to deal with bodies like mine. I might be in pain, but I am whole. I refuse to have the difficult parts cropped out.”

It’s hard to imagine how someone who gets how their female biology has influenced their life so much can want to erase that fact through newspeak.
It makes me wonder if the Guardian perhaps now have editorial “guidelines” which encourage people to write like this?
If I had an anon twitter account I’d ask the writer directly myself. With the ref in the text to men’s mental health it just seems very weird and unnatural

EarthSight · 16/09/2020 19:54

The author is an asshole. Can't believe she had no problem referencing men, but not 'women' in an article all about women's health.......and the GUARDIAN PUT IT IN THE WOMEN'S SECTION!!!

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readysteadybaby · 16/09/2020 20:17

When explaining her earlier experiences she says the following - No one wanted to go into details, though. No one was willing, or equipped, to use the medical terminology for the things that hurt.

If my school friends and I had been able to safely and knowledgeably talk more openly, I would have discovered that my symptoms were worse than I thought.'

All of the illnesses she lists are solely connected the the female reproductive system, yet she insists on replacing the word 'women' with 'people'. Surely by erasing the word 'women' as a society we are making the situation worse for young girls who are currently or who are yet to develop these same illnesses.

WhereOnEarthDoIStart · 16/09/2020 20:23

She gets through 6 paragraphs talking about women and girls without saying the words.

The 7th paragraph she talks about men and starts the sentence with the word MEN.

Doesn't she read it back?

aliasundercover · 16/09/2020 21:09

A quick scan, so I may have missed a few:

men - 5 mentions
trans - 4 mentions
intersex - 1 mention
women, girls, females? Don't be ridiculous.

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