Scotland's Gyms and Pools

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They just aren't non--bninary and trans inclusive enough:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4bd89c06-f543-11ea-a6c6-cfdce9efa370?shareToken=1740e1396c60bf9da462897834b50726

@highame

The Times and Sunday Times pride themselves on presenting both sides, so you will read woke articles. The comments tell the Times what it's readers think. Only an absolute plonker of a publisher would decide they wanted to get rid of their core readers.

The Times already knows what happens to MSM who disregard they're readers - they watch the Guardian with interest

The Times and The Sunday Times have different editorial policies. I’m not the only one to have noticed a shift in tone in The Sunday Times.

@endofthelinefinally

Are you sure they were deleted? Sometimes if you go to comments too quickly they don't load. It can be a bit slow. I checked and couldn't see what you meant

Must admit freegle I don't like the Sunday Times much but that's because I always thought it was more politically on the right than the Times. Only get it now because it's part of the subscription and I like the crossword

Mind you, I do now read the Spectator but as with both I quickly skim articles if not to my liking

I went back to read the comments and there were lots of " this comment has been deleted" ststements where the original comments were.
Maybe even that has been removed now.

Do less trans and non binary people exercise less than women and girls?
Can they not exercise in the park where there are no mirrors or changing rooms to deal with?
Zumba in the church hall?

The comments are great. Surely the focus in gyms should be on increasing services and help for disabled and elderly users. Not phasing out mirrors for people who don’t like to look at themselves. So are they saying they also want safe spaces IN the women’s changing rooms so women don’t have to look at them or “harass” them. Maybe they want women to leave the changing rooms altogether and go into another room. What is the end goal?

Yes, because women strut around changing rooms naked, proudly admiring their bodies in the mirror at every turn. No woman has ever felt uncomfortable in her swimsuit at the pool.....

How do you come to that conclusion? The Times is simply reporting it neutrally with a straight face.

To be fair, I’m sure there was the odd bit of eyebrow raising and smirking.

Participants raised concern that open-plan changing rooms can trigger “gender policing”, especially in women-only facilities where non-binary and trans women feel pressured to look feminine, such as wearing form-fitting sports clothing or make-up to “look like they belong” and “avoid harassment”.

Yeah those fucking bitches not wanting penises in the female changing room. How dare they make these male people feel like they 'don't belong'.

It's an effective argument for third spaces in fact. Or LGBT+ only sessions to be made available. Except that's always wrong too. There comes a point where you run out of the will to keep on trying.

There comes a point where you run out of the will to keep on trying
I want to say more but I'll keep it to a non committal uhhhmm yeah.

“transgender men and women.... many can suffer from body image anxiety”
wasn’t so long ago that the anxiety about their body was key to being described as trans....
Who the hell is funding this “research”

Blimey - I just read the comments. I don't think I've ever read a comments section so much in agreement. I think the most "supportive" one was a man saying he didn't care, which was followed up by women saying that's ok because it didn't affect him and they did care and didn't like it. Everyone else was saying how much nonsense and pandering it was.

I really enjoyed reading those comments.

Good to see Jacky Holyoakes on there! I miss her on twitter.

Mirrors cancelled as they are transphobic!

Mirror mirror on the wall...

Can you imagine the response from the snow white morror?

I'm peaking daily at this point.

If mirrors can cause discomfort, anxiety and "intimidation" to trans and non binary people, how do people think actual PENISES in female-only facilities make women and girls feel? Women and girls who are vulnerable, self conscious and in a state of undress?

But of course, no one gives a shit about that.

I really hope that those reviewing policies remember why women only sessions were introduced and look at the number of women participating in sport before dismantling the structures put in place to facilitate increased participation.

I’m just confused about why these changes are being suggested purely to increase the comfort of trans people. Why can’t there just be separate cubicles anyway?

I had/have an eating disorder, body dysmorphia, suspected ASD. I hate being in places with bright lights, loud music, mirrors, or crowds. But I don’t expect or even want public places to do anything differently to help me with my issues. They’re MY issues after all.