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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I really thought we'd moved on from this

26 replies

thymestables · 09/09/2020 21:49

Just popped up on my FB. What's wrong with being an active outdoorsy girl, why do we still have to call her a tomboy?
This ad could be from decades ago. And for the BBC no less.

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thymestables · 09/09/2020 21:51

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Grellbunt · 09/09/2020 21:53

Pathetic. Looks a bit suspect, too, why the bikinis in the background?

Someone thinks they can recreate pippi langstrumpf.

Polkasquare · 09/09/2020 21:54

Indeed. The tomboy is a "their" as well What's wrong with being a girl and a she.

Gottalife · 09/09/2020 22:03

Tomboys? Blimey that is so last millenium. A bit Enid Blyton with lashings of ginger beer.

Dozer · 09/09/2020 22:05

God, the film industry can still be so dodgy!

PlanDeRaccordement · 09/09/2020 22:05

Tomboy is still better than telling a girl she can’t be any type of girl but is really truly an actual boy and must cut off all her genitalia and take life altering hormones in order to conform. I welcome the return of tomboy.

Grellbunt · 09/09/2020 22:07

All their genitalia

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/09/2020 22:16

Well, if that pic is any indication, it looks to be set in the 60s. Plenty of tomboys back then.

EyesOpening · 09/09/2020 22:34

"please send their details" TBH I think I would have phrased it the same

Mumoblue · 10/09/2020 08:59

I was (and I guess still am) a tomboy. I never liked the term. I didn't understand why I needed a special word that signifies that I'm "doing 'girl' wrong". I used to say that I was not any kind of boy.

It's very weird and silly, looking at it as an adult, that we have a word like tomboy.

Grellbunt · 10/09/2020 10:39

I was called tomboy and yes, subconsciously it encouraged internalised misogyny. When it was meant positively, the implication was that it was better to be “like a boy” than those ordinary girly “normal” girls. When it was meant negatively, it made me feel ashamed and “not enough” - that I wasn’t pretty or elegant or modest enough to be a “normal” girl.

It’s shit. When will we stop putting humans in to these imaginary boxes.

MillyMollyFarmer · 10/09/2020 10:47

I was called a tomboy as well, I was too sporty and outdoorsy I guess... oh and I didn’t wear pretty little dresses. This is so outdated Angry

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 10/09/2020 10:58

Illustrated by a girl swimming. Over the last few years the BBC have lost any credibility or relevance they ever had. Sexist tosh.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/09/2020 11:02

'if you are lucky enough to have a tomboy'?

my daughter 'identifies' as a tomboy- ive explained shes an active sporty girl but it persists. 🤷🏼‍♀️

RuffleCrow · 10/09/2020 11:03

I'd still prefer 'tomboy' over transboy or whatever, but it's daft pretending they're a breed apart. They're just girls doing things all girls should have the chance to do.

DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 11:09

What the fuck is it with their to describe girls? Am I the only one who expects to see a male bodied child who identifies as trans pop up in this ‘film’, that’s supposed to be about a girl/girls?After all, the BBC is fully supportive of TWAW and TGAG, so they’ll be to woke and scared to refuse a male bodied child who declares that they are trans. Transphobia ya know.

DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 11:09

Just in case anyone missed it or can’t see it.

I really thought we'd moved on from this
1000umbrellas · 10/09/2020 12:22

Who posted it on FB? Seems a bit suspect having a gmail address and mobile number as the only contacts. Almost like a way of harvesting lots of pictures of young girls.

Kaiserin · 10/09/2020 14:36

I'd still prefer 'tomboy' over transboy or whatever, but it's daft pretending they're a breed apart. They're just girls doing things all girls should have the chance to do.

"Tomboys" are girls, and the term is sexist (if all the fun stuff is always framed as boys stuff, it certainly encourages internalised misogyny)

However, it would be disingenuous to say that "action girls" are 100% identical to "girly girls". They are very different personality traits, with very different interests, which often persist into adulthood.

The same could be said of other traits, e.g. some boys are remarkably sensitive and artistic, some children are bookish, others are not, some children are highly sociable, others are not...

Human personality traits are very diverse (and several traits can be combined within the same individual), and they tend to persist over someone's life. We don't have to accept these traits as gendered. But we should certainly recognise and celebrate them, not erase them by saying "everybody can and should enjoy exactly the same things"

EarthSight · 10/09/2020 14:48

I never thought of myself as a Tomboy, but the bar seems to be very low for it these days.

Like science? Tick!
Like the outdoors? Tick!
Not really bothered about dolls? Tick!
Not bothered with make-up? Tick!

It could be applied to any girl who doesn't conform the pram-pushing, frilly dress wearing idea of what a girl is. I'm so glad I never got labelled.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 10/09/2020 16:11

Is this a genuine ad?

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 10/09/2020 16:14

Alison Piper is a real director/writer in Scotland but if you try to google this film then nothing comes up Hmm.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/09/2020 16:15

@1000umbrellas

Who posted it on FB? Seems a bit suspect having a gmail address and mobile number as the only contacts. Almost like a way of harvesting lots of pictures of young girls.
This. It didn't matter what kind of child I had, I would not be sending these people pictures of them.
EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 10/09/2020 16:24

I have done a reverse search on the image and all that comes up is this thread, something from Twitter about child performers and just some generic info on online advertising. I can't find it on Facebook.

EyesOpening · 10/09/2020 22:31

@DeliciouslyFemale

Just in case anyone missed it or can’t see it.
oh yeah, that's creepy!
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