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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oscars

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zanahoria · 09/09/2020 10:42

In a historic move, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Tuesday laid out sweeping eligibility reforms to the best picture category intended to encourage diversity and equitable representation on screen and off, addressing gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity and disability

amp.theguardian.com/film/2020/sep/08/oscars-academy-awards-diversity-race-gender

The whole of Hollywood will declare themselves LGBTQ now!

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Cocothefirst · 09/09/2020 10:47

It's all tiresome, performative bollocks.

They've never given a shit about the huge under-representation of women in film. In 2019, the percentage of women working on the top 500 films remained steady at 23% (taken from link below).

womenintvfilm.sdsu.edu/research/#:~:text=Women%20comprised%2020%25%20of%20all,up%20from%2016%25%20in%202018.&text=Women%20accounted%20for%2012%25%20of,2018%20and%208%25%20in%202017.

We'll see more white men performing all shades of LBGTQ++++ which will mean no real change whatsoever.
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zanahoria · 09/09/2020 10:49

Men can become women and the quota is filled, even if they are not brave enough maybe just settle for being a pansexual genderqueer.

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PurpleHoodie · 09/09/2020 10:50

I watch for the beautiful dresses and technical categories.

With a billion more categories, the speeches from the "mainstream" winners will he knocked down to 30 secs a piece each.

There'll be no need to watch it anymore. The dresses can be seen on gossip sites a day later.
The technical winners will still be celebrated at home.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 09/09/2020 10:52

Would films like Dunkirk fail, since 95% + of the cast were white males... Being based on a historic event where the vast majority of the participants were white males?

Baaaahhhhh · 09/09/2020 10:54

It is all nonsense. You have to have 5% of this, or 1% of that, or 0.002% of the other. Never mind, as pp's have said, the glaring omission of 50% of the population for years.

zanahoria · 09/09/2020 11:17

Paradise had plenty of Asian actors

Do they count as minorities in a Korean film?

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DidoLamenting · 09/09/2020 11:34

To meet the onscreen representation standard, a film must either have at least one lead character or a significant supporting character be from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group; at least 30% of secondary roles must be from two underrepresented groups; or the main storyline, theme or narrative must be focused on an underrepresented group

That rules out Dunkirk, 1917 , The Death of Stalin , pretty much all films about WWI and WWII and all adaptations of Dickens, Austen, the Brontës etc (unless you shoehorn in ethnic minority actors a la the recent awful David Copperfield)

DidoLamenting · 09/09/2020 11:38

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Would films like Dunkirk fail, since 95% + of the cast were white males... Being based on a historic event where the vast majority of the participants were white males?
Presumably yes. Obviously there were black American soldiers and the other allies would have had a small number of troops of colour, including the Gurkhas but the WWI and WWII armies were overwhelmingly white.
highame · 09/09/2020 11:46

Money talks. Depends on how audiences take to it. They will have to be pretty smart otherwise films will become unbelievable (TV too) and unwatchable.

What will film critics do? Will they be able to say a film is crap or an actor is crap? If they do, will the be accused of an ism or a phobia?

That'll be fun

BrassicaRabbit · 09/09/2020 11:54

Please.

When they want a naked body for the camera to linger on in any film over a PG, when they want to shoehorn sex and violence into a plot for mere titillation,, or find a partner for an elderly male actor, Hollywood is going to know exactly which type of body to employ.

I wish they'd "queer" the film industry and give the nudity and crap objectifying roles to male bodies for a bit.

DryHeave · 09/09/2020 11:57

Are they keeping best actor / best actress?

BowlerHatPowerHat · 09/09/2020 12:01

Women count in the minority group - so maybe there'll be a lot more unnecessary 'love interests' in future films.

zanahoria · 09/09/2020 12:21

Obviously there were black American soldiers

Not at Dunkirk

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zanahoria · 09/09/2020 12:25

Also even in the enlightened times there are actors who wish to keep their sexuality private, this measure puts pressure on them to declare it.

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DidoLamenting · 09/09/2020 13:54

@zanahoria

Obviously there were black American soldiers

Not at Dunkirk

I had already said in my first post that this would rule out Dunkirk.

I'm perfectly aware that at the time of Dunkirk America wasn't involved but clearly later there were black GIs stationed in the UK and fighting in Europe.

DidoLamenting · 09/09/2020 13:55

When they want a naked body for the camera to linger on in any film over a PG

You haven't seen Troy then?

JellySlice · 09/09/2020 14:36

@BowlerHatPowerHat

Women count in the minority group - so maybe there'll be a lot more unnecessary 'love interests' in future films.
Do they?

In a historic move, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Tuesday laid out sweeping eligibility reforms to the best picture category intended to encourage diversity and equitable representation on screen and off, addressing gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity and disability.

I don't see any mention of women.

Freespeecher · 09/09/2020 14:42

Troy!

I grew up on Greek mythology and they essentially tore it up and rewrote it.

There's Menelaus! I know he makes it... oh, he's dead. Plus they seem to lay siege to Troy for about a fortnight rather than ten years.

(Weeps in Greek).

Freespeecher · 09/09/2020 14:44

"In a historic move, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on Tuesday laid out sweeping eligibility reforms to the best picture category intended to encourage diversity and equitable representation on screen and off, addressing gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity and disability".

Looks like we'll soon be finding out who really would give their right arm to win an Oscar.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 09/09/2020 15:10

Obviously there were black American soldiers
Not at Dunkirk
Maybe not American but there were plenty of other Black African, Indian and other South Asian troops or seamen that could have been portrayed in Dunkirk. There were also Black African and West Indian units on the Western Front in WW1. 1917 had some BAME actors but it was probably more difficult to fit the plot line in 1917 to include them based on where their locations would have been vs where the ‘action’ was supposed to be taking place. Dunkirk, however, could have had BAME actors, they just chose not to.

DianasLasso · 09/09/2020 15:15

What's the betting they still know who to cast as the Sexy Lamp, or even the Sexy Lamp with a Post-It. Wink

Glace · 09/09/2020 15:29

I want more diversity in films/books. But the tick-box story/script writing method never works.
Good luck with that business model. Ultimately the market will decide.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 09/09/2020 15:36

Ah, it finally makes sense why Ammonite has decided to make up focus on a lesbian relationship.

I suspect female paleontologists are actually more of a minority in film portrayals...

Glace · 09/09/2020 15:44

Re. war films: I think there’s a great film waiting to be made about ‘The Night Witches’, female Russian bomber pilots in WW2.

Freespeecher · 09/09/2020 15:56

Glace

See also Lily Litvyak. WW2 pilot who I think was made a Hero of the Soviet Union (but only in the last ten years or so).

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