NZ Ministry of Education tells schools they must let children self identify

[MillyMollyFarmer]

The Labour government of Aotearoa New Zealand has issued guidelines for schools that say they must allow children to choose their sex/gender identity and uphold the human rights of everyone.

New Zealand is the new Canada.

Guidelines state they must:
Ensure inclusive environments for all young people.
• "Allow their ākonga [students] freedom of expression in relation to their gender identities and sexual orientation, including the right to determine their own identity and name.
• "Include content on the diversity of sex characteristics, sexuality, and gender identities in their curriculum programmes."
The new guidelines have been welcomed by Family Planning chief executive Jackie Edmonds as the first "meaningful change" since guidelines were first developed in 2002.
"It's close to 20 years since we first developed guidelines and we've had no meaningful change since then," she said.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12363313

It's close to 20 years since we first developed guidelines and we've had no meaningful change since then," she said.

That doesn’t mean that any change is a good change though. I wonder what evidence they found that things weren’t working as they were?

Allow their ākonga [students] freedom of expression in relation to their gender identities and sexual orientation, including the right to determine their own identity and name.

I don't have any problem with that.

I think everyone should be free to choose a gender identity, just as they should be free to choose a religion.

However the law should also recognise the need for sex based rights, and the fact that it is impossible to choose your sex.

I think everyone should be free to choose a gender identity

Really? You think 5 year olds should be asked to decide whether they are a boy or a girl because that's what choosing a gender identity means.

I've just had a quick skim read of the new guidance for schools. God it's scary stuff

health.tki.org.nz/Teaching-in-HPE/Policy-Guidelines/Relationships-and-Sexuality-Education

It seems to me that sometimes 'identity' is confused with 'personality.' Feminism used to argue for looser sex roles and more freedom in how men and women dress, work and behave, while retaining the safeguards sex-based differences require for a society to be civil.

So you could choose who you wanted to be while remaining your biological sex. Now you can choose the gender box and that's it.

Really? You think 5 year olds should be asked to decide whether they are a boy or a girl because that's what choosing a gender identity means.

I think the question here is why a child should have to formally decide anything about their innate identity, and what practical purpose the gender identity would serve. I suspect that is where I would part company with the NZ regulations.

I would also reserve the right to say that classifying a particular identity as male or female would be promoting sexist stereotypes.

That must make parents evening interesting.

Hello Mr Smith, we are Pat's parents
Pat? No, we don't have a Pat in the class
Yes - Pat... year 3...small, blonde, brown eyes, glasses, likes Roald Dahl...
Nope...
Pat - Patricia, Patty, Trishy, Trish, Pazza, PT, ummmmm likes giraffes...
Oh, you mean Derek...

Identity has become a meaningless term. We should not allow children to ‘choose any identity’ because that’s stupid. Children should be encouraged to explore life and develop their personality, not choose an identity. Can Pākehā children choose to be Māori in NZ? There is a lady who has done so there. Should we let every Pākehā do it so that ethnicity is meaningless too? It’s clearly nonsense- christ I hate how government throw Māori words into their bullshit while they still refuse to make the language a core subject at school alongside English.

I would also reserve the right to say that classifying a particular identity as male or female would be promoting sexist stereotypes.

Exactly Mouse.

Ani O’Brien or Speak Up For Women is on radio in NZ disgusting this here, and I didn’t realise words like ‘Mum’ and ‘Dad’ are also discouraged. I liked this interviewer here:

www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings-with-chris-lynch/audio/ani-obrien-speak-up-for-women-group-concerned-over-gender-ideology-in-schools/

Thanks milly. Listened to it. I follow anni on twitter

Read through the document

Agree totallly with Maori language being used in a way that makes no sense.

The document at 60 pages long seems like a load of word salad designed to an average person who would just give up reading

Why discourage mum and dad words being used 🤦‍♀️

Agree with ani some academic elites trying to put their beliefs into schools when 99% of the population don’t believe in this tripe

Gender: Gender is an individual identity related to a continuum of masculinities and femininities. A person’s gender is not fixed or immutable.
Gender binary (male/female binary): The (incorrect) assumption that there are only two genders (girl/boy or man/woman)
Gender diverse: An umbrella term used to encompass people who do not necessarily identify with being transgender but don’t feel their gender fits into the binary of male or female
Gender expression: A person’s presentation
of their gender through physical appearance
– including dress, hairstyles, accessories,
and cosmetics and also mannerisms, speech, behavioural patterns, names, and personal references. Gender expression may or may not conform to a person’s gender identity.
Gender fluid: Describes a person whose gender changes over time and can go back and forth. The frequency of these changes depends on the individual.

From the document above jeez 🤦‍♀️

The document at 60 pages long seems like a load of word salad designed to an average person who would just give up reading

Absolutely. What you’ve copied there is so ridiculous and yet this ‘progressive’ country is well behind it. People need to know what’s happening. It’s weird how anti family some of this is.

Oh the appropriation of our language when it suits them is so frustrating. My mother has worked in government and throwing in our language doesn’t change the way they view us, especially since none of them actually know it properly, misuse is common. I mean, that’s definitely not new because that’s the entire problem with the treaty! It’s not valid because it was incorrectly translated. Imagine that. Meanings of words being deliberately changed to suit the intentions of the oppressor group and disadvantage the oppressed minority. Nothing changes does it. Sovereignty was the word incorrectly translated. I think the UK seem to understand the importance of sovereignty and the right to rule themselves now.... funny really isn’t it?

The lack of understanding of immutable sex and the more fluid gender is a real concern in this

I'm not up with stuff in NZ but if you try and remove 'mum'& 'dad' aren't you trying to remove safeguards? I know that not all mums and dads are safe people but in language some terms are much more than the words themselves.

There has been masses of criticism here about the idea that parents can be detrimental to children re the trans debate. I'm trying to link to that. There are certainly MRA's who wish parents roles could be diminished.

I wish I could formulate this properly but

You’re getting your point across just find and yes that is what is happening... the breaking down of carefully built up boundaries and safeguarding in every facet of life.

It’s very disrespectful Milly

And very elitist and they think that using a few Maori words makes it all ok.

And trying to make children think that they have an identity and that using the words mum and dad is wrong

And jeez that document. Still wondering what I read. Utter bollocks

Yup, total bollocks. I feel they’re using Māori culture here to make it unacceptable to criticise- at least by certain political wings as some can’t stop criticising us! Or maybe they can blame us when it all goes wrong? Either way, Māori culture doesn’t include the removal of mum and dad, the removal of sex, the ignorance of biology or reproduction or any of this very western, very white ideology. Fa’afafine is Samoan, and is a very different thing to transgenderism, although both have roots in homophobia ( still illegal to be a gay man in samoa, unless you’re Fa’afafine ).

This is so bad.

And on toilets and changing rooms

Other guidelines from the ministry of education, basically they are saying it’s not ok to divide anything by ‘gender’ ( they mean sex )

[quote Thingybob]I think everyone should be free to choose a gender identity

Really? You think 5 year olds should be asked to decide whether they are a boy or a girl because that's what choosing a gender identity means.

I've just had a quick skim read of the new guidance for schools. God it's scary stuff

health.tki.org.nz/Teaching-in-HPE/Policy-Guidelines/Relationships-and-Sexuality-Education[/quote]
If the issue of gender is not brought up and the kids are let to get on with doing stuff it's one thing but if the kids are told to choose, it's quite another!
It they still have two sets of toilets it would then be weird as you can chose again each day/time which set you use (not that I'm advocating for having all GN toilets)
They had a little poll but I didn't like how it lumped the GN uniforms (which I'm fine with) in with the toilets and changing rooms.
Discouraging the use of mum and dad words, WTAF? What is it going to be Parent One and Parent Two?
Hopefully we are worrying about nothing but I don't think I want to be here in 15-20 years time, I don't want to be able to say we told you so

I really shouldn't have eaten that cheese last night, hopefully I'll wake up from this nightmare soon

The old curriculum lasted long as it did because it was pretty much fit for purpose, taught children what they needed to know and talked about sexuality and relationships.

Only just dipped into the document and it's so much puffery, the problem is some of it is dangerous, it's assumed all the way through gender identity exists and takes primacy over everything else. So therefore the toilet and change room policy ignores children's needs for a private same sex environment when performing intimate functions or where they might be getting undressed.

And some of it is completely useless, since when was the school playground gendered? That's just creating problems that aren't there.

"Playgrounds: All children, regardless of gender identification, should be able to access the playground equipment and areas of their choice. Playground equipment should not be restricted by gender identification."

Thank goodness my kids have finished school, I feel sorry for parents having to navigate that sorry mess.

Only just dipped into the document and it's so much puffery, the problem is some of it is dangerous, it's assumed all the way through gender identity exists and takes primacy over everything else. So therefore the toilet and change room policy ignores children's needs for a private same sex environment when performing intimate functions or where they might be getting undressed.

Absolutely. It’s extremely concerning and I am thankful my daughter has finished school but I worry for all children in NZ classrooms, particularly different cultures to the dominant white culture. We are being told it’s part of ours, it’s not. Not remotely.

Smoke and mirrors. It all seems to be about causing as much confusion as possible.

Look what's happened here. Take a couple of acts of parliament, made with the best intentions but with grey areas that can be leaped on, misused, misinterpreted etc etc and it will take a whole heap of cleaner to set things right. If a few shrewd, intelligent women hadn't sussed it out we'd be totally screwed.

Added to this the reluctance of the media to discuss openly. Whatever happened to 'publish and be damned'

Well the problem in NZ with media is they’re all very behind woke identity politics. Stuff ran 3 stories in one year on the same trans person, a police officer, nothing that interesting and not a public person, 1 story pre surgery, one story paid for by the Asia Foundation funded by the ministry of foreign affairs about the trip to Thailand and the reassignment surgery, and 1 months later about the chickens they keep. They have lots of journalists that use the T word online and they’ve told me it doesn’t break social media guidelines. Nz Herald does too. There are no openly GC proper feminists on either major media outlets, the only one for the NZ herald quit after they wouldn’t publish a story of hers on trans issues- Rachel Stewart, a lesbian. NZ hasn’t got a hope of fighting this off I’m afraid, it will be well into the future before all the damage this causes there is undone.