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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fair Cop hinting again about Tuesday?

58 replies

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/09/2020 10:36

Rob Jessel tweeted last night that Fair Cop would have some news today. He's now tweeted it will be Tuesday. His original tweet twitter.com/robjessel/status/1302711787142475778

And Fair Cop tweeted this last night.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1302698292447531010

Looks like the ball is finally rolling.

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Winesalot · 07/09/2020 20:05

X post!!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2020 20:13

That is very interesting...

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/09/2020 20:16

That feels good. Really fucking good.

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PronounssheRa · 07/09/2020 20:29

Well that's is interesting.

teawamutu · 07/09/2020 21:11

[quote Winesalot]Ummm! Is this it?

News Flash. @Transgendertrd have been given permission to intervene. @stonewalluk and Mermaids have had their requests denied.

twitter.com/wearefaircop/status/1303043131848433665?s=21[/quote]
Rob Jessel just confirmed this was it.

NiceGerbil · 07/09/2020 21:15

What is intervening?

I can't get Twitter to open

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/09/2020 21:17

@NiceGerbil

What is intervening?

I can't get Twitter to open

Fair Cop say that it means Mermaids/Stonewall aren't allowed to give any evidence in the case.
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NiceGerbil · 07/09/2020 21:23

That interesting.

FloralBunting · 07/09/2020 21:25

A lot of people with sunk cost reasons for committing to trans ideology are going to be terrifically uncomfortable for the foreseeable future.

I only hope this will mean that no more young people are damaged and all women and girls are protected. We've worked long and hard for these chances to right wrongs, and those who dismiss the tenacity of ordinary women determined to protect other women and children do so in much foolishness. We will not quit.

Kantastic · 07/09/2020 21:25

News Flash. @Transgendertrd have been given permission to intervene. @stonewalluk and Mermaids have had their requests denied.

I hope this is as good as it sounds. It immediately made me picture a scenario of a judge who has already made up their mind, bending over backward to pre-empt accusations of bias. But I don't have a clue how judicial reviews work, so I hope my paranoia is as ill-founded as it is clueless.

needaMNnamegenerator · 07/09/2020 21:33

Rob Jessel just confirmed this was it.

Are you sure? I can't see anything like that. Rob tweeted this 4 hours ago:

Bad news. Some allies said that our leak tomorrow would be prejudicial.

We disagree. But we have enormous respect for these allies, so we're holding back...for now.

I'm really, really sorry to have got people excited. And I really, really wish we could have told you tomorrow.

So, looks like it's still a mystery? (Sounds like it's a wise move to keep shtum though).

needaMNnamegenerator · 07/09/2020 21:34

Link to Rob's tweet quoted above: twitter.com/robjessel/status/1303000699232546817

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/09/2020 21:41

Someone asked him if the update to the case is what he was talking about earlier, and he tweeted Cat very much out of the bag. Apparently it's fine now.

twitter.com/robjessel/status/1303063057652998144

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Winesalot · 07/09/2020 21:54

So, neither stonewall or mermaids are considered expert in Keira’s case. Meaning that either the courts no longer value their input, they contributed through biased advice, or what? Looking forward to a fuller story.

That must be just another jenga block being removed in their credibility in any case.

AnotherLass · 07/09/2020 22:03

Someone said on twitter that Fair Cop have presented this in a slightly misleading way - Mermaids and Stonewall were allowed to make submissions, but their submissions were so unprofessional that they were rejected.

Winesalot · 07/09/2020 22:11

their submissions were so unprofessional that they were rejected.

That is good to know either way. Because if they were deemed unprofessional, it leads to their style of operating. This could be one case that will open this up for future plaintiffs, they is potential for many more. Surely, even just the misleading advice on puberty blockers on websites can be challenged.

Siablue · 07/09/2020 22:19

@AnotherLass

Someone said on twitter that Fair Cop have presented this in a slightly misleading way - Mermaids and Stonewall were allowed to make submissions, but their submissions were so unprofessional that they were rejected.
That is better as they were given a chance to be a part of it and their submission was rejected. Mermaids and Stonewall are well funded charities and they must have their own lawyers. A thirteen year old child was able to put their case better than them.
ArabellaScott · 07/09/2020 23:21

This is interesting!

Aesopfable · 07/09/2020 23:31

It is much better if they had put forward a case; winning should be based on strength of argument not because one side wasn’t allowed to speak. If their argument is too weak to be taken seriously then they will lose because of that. If an organisation so well funded, with so many fingers in so many pies, with so much legal support, cannot manage a professional submission, let alone a strong argument, then that is damning of then and all who fly with them.

xxyzz · 08/09/2020 01:35

Really hoping that this leads to an expose of Stonewall/Mermaids activities as happened with the Kids Company case, and everything comes out and gets exposure.

I feel there could be a lot more court cases and a lot more egg on the faces of some who were sure they were on 'the right side of history'.

ChattyLion · 08/09/2020 07:03

I really dislike Fair Cop’s style around that burning M too. It and the hinting make serious issues look like social media spatting and takes away from their serious player standing in my mind, better to stick to the issues of free speech I would say.

But who feels free to have fun with things can depend on who feels entitlement to the public space, to an audience, knows they will get a good reception to their more flip tone and who has enough feeling of confidence and personal or organisational standing not to care if they piss people off with their delivery. Also it can be a reflection of who feels they have personal skin in that particular game, or not.

I do tend to notice a difference in style between feminist organisations and free speech ones. The free speech orgs are not just working on women’s issues. They obviously have a lot more men in them. That scene can seem quite male dominated in number and in also in their prominent voices that gather wider public attention.

I can get it why free speech groups may like directness or levity as an expression of freedom and politically why they may not want to be worryIng too much about ‘how’ they express things. More important to focus on what they are actually saying. I get that.

On reflection of why that style seems clunky and ‘style taking away from substance’ to my own ear/eye, when free speech people/orgs comment on women’s or feminist issues (which I do really want them to be doing and be interested in- these also ARE free speech issues!) I wondered if it’s because as women we’re more used to having to put our points very seriously, offering detail to prove our case and doing so with a forensic demeanour as individuals.

Isn’t that just to ensure we are read as credible to ‘deserve’ to be listened to? If women’s groups posted burning initials of organisations we were critical of, or dropped the earnest tone for something more social media speak, I think probably we’d get laughed at or ignored or told we were uncaring and wishing bad things on vulnerable kids or something.

While at the same time being fair game to be dismissed as ‘humourless’.. (because women aren’t really allowed to be funny in public, either)

I am aware that I worry about all of this because of a lifetime of female socialisation, but I also don’t think it’s untrue either. Anyone can see the double standards applied to women speaking in public spaces, which the ubiquity of social media has laid open and also reinforced.

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2020 07:49

All good points, Chatty. Faircop don't seem to get the 'hate group ' tag, despite campaigning on the exact same issues as women's orgs.

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2020 07:51

Not, to be clear, that they should! But it's interesting to look at the different reactions to organisations who are making the same points.

Floisme · 08/09/2020 08:17

I take that point and I of course we don't have to like their style but I think it's dismissive to suggest they treat it like a game. From what I've seen they have put their arses on the line - otherwise I assume Harry Miller would have accepted that police warning, gone home and never told a soul outside his family. What they do is deeply serious and, I imagine, pretty bloody stressful.

ChattyLion · 08/09/2020 08:25

Thanks Flo I do appreciate that it is very serious for anyone to have the police act inappropriately towards them- I very much appreciate people speaking up and organising around that. Its the expression of it on social media (generalised to other free speech groups not just Fair Cop) that I was commenting on. I appreciate men speaking up around this, not least because then I think women will be listened to, tbh as we don’t exist in a neutral political space for women.

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