Rachel Dolezal II

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If we get a few more will they start claiming their rights?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/03/jessica-krug-white-professor-pretended-black

Nope, because they are women. Maybe if white men start identifying as black?

WTF? This woman looks like a lightly tanned white woman.

Why is she ‘pretending’ but other people can say they’re other things and that’s fine...

I love that people like Dolezal and Krug wrinkle up the whole 'I am what I believe I am' concept. They add a fascinating angle to the whole debate.

Do you think people will be kind to her?

Ha! No, there will be no kindness demanded here.

It's entrenched in TRA ideology that you can identify as the opposite sex, or neither sex, or sometimes one and then the other, and it might be ok to identify as an animal or as a different age, but it's never okay to claim you're a different race. That's 'appropriation'.

This just exposes the hypocracy and double think of the whole self identification debate that allows people to deny biological reality of sex, but apparently not of race.

But the whole "transracial" movement does have some supporters. Dont forget it was a member of a TU group for those who "identified" as Black that got Linda Bellow cancelled as a speaker on Black rights issues. You couldn't make it up. But it does happen.

But useful link to have when told that of course gender self identity is valid, you can ask why then isnt race self identity valid?

I think it also shows in some strange way that in men's eyes women have the least legitimacy of anyone. Women are whatever men tell them to be.

It's odd that white women who take roles from black people are (quite rightly) condemned, but men like Shaun King and Benjamin Butterworth seem largely ignored or even celebrated. They say they have black relatives and so have some claim to understand black experiences, but wasn't that exactly the case with Dolezal, growing up with adopted black siblings? It seems like once again men get away with crimes that women are punished for.

There was a male actor/director who was in the press for having white ancestry as far back as he could go, but who had adopted a mixed race identity and then accepted specific industry funding as a BAME recipient.

This man has had a couple of big interviews about his life in the Guardian and a number of theatre colleagues wrote a public letter in support of him. The funders said it was an exceptional situation and I think called for nuance. This was in the UK not the US, unlike Dolezal and Krug, but the media reaction does seem to have been relatively more understanding/nuanced on his situation than on theirs.

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/07/anthony-lennon-theatre-director-accused-of-passing-as-black-interview-simon-hattenstone

I just read the interview about the theatre director who said he was black when he is white and the interview is over the top sympathetic to him. The most hilarious part was when he changed his name to an African one, and had no idea what it meant. I just feel sorry for his black friend James, who said that he felt the theatre director was studying him and copying his mannerisms in order to become more black. Feels very familiar.

There’s people decrying this now who will seem like terrible bigots in the future.

Shaun King is still busy pushing his grift as a "black activist" with two white (biological) parents. You're allowed to do this if you're a man.

I am fascinated. I am still waiting to see what is going to happen with Gwen Benaway. So very very interesting.
Burn the witch for racial appropriation.
Crown the yassssssss qweeeeeeen for womanhood appropriation.
Either identity is fluid and self determined, or it isn’t. Can’t have it all ways, chump.
Academia is a disgrace.

There’s people decrying this now who will seem like terrible bigots in the future. Nope! I'm going to need an explanation for that!

'Either identity is fluid and self determined, or it isn’t. Can’t have it all ways, chump.'

Exactly. Black people feel insulted, belittled and gaslit (quite rightly) when someone is revealed to have been 'living as a black person' but actually white. So many women feel the same about TW but we get screamed at to shut up and #bekind.

I'm incredulous at some of the responses to this on Twitter. Like this:

When Jessica Krug gets her book deal and is on the talk show circuit, remember this tweet. White women continually harm our communities and are rewarded for their efforts.

twitter.com/LeslieMac/status/1301584774943911942?s=19

Surely the difference between a white person and a person of colour is much more narrow than the difference between a man and a woman, especially given that Krug had socially transitioned to that role many years ago?

I think Anthony Lennon is a different case to Krug. He was always open about his parentage and everyone around him growing up assumed he was mixed race. He experienced prejudice because of it. That's not the same as Krug or Rachel Dolezal which is I think why he's been treated more sympathetically.

But yes, there is an huge contrast between the outrage at racial or cultural appropriation and the worshipping of all.things trans.

The Mail have covered this as well, she came out as she had been found out. If only she'd claimed to be a man as well. Then people would have had to tie themselves up defending why she is definitely a man but not black.

This person is trying to argue that trans race is not the same as transgender. It's unconvincing for two reasons. First, not all trans people have dysphoria these days - the trans umbrella is extremely broad. Secondly, the author here is speculating about what's going on in the minds of trans race people. Perhaps, as Dolezal claimed to be, they are genuinely convinced that they belong to their chosen race? This is after all in the mind, it's a mental state that can't be objectively measured.

Nope! I'm going to need an explanation for that!

Sarcasm. PP is mimicking what is usually said by Genderists.

she came out as she had been found out

Ah ok. I was going to ask why has she admitted to it all now if it was going well for her.

Isn't race meant to be a social construction? You can't tell a person's race just by looking at them, especially if they are fair skinned. There have been cases of light skinned, blue eyed children born to black parents. I really don't understand why transracial is taboo, but transgender is totally cool. Sex is immutable. Race is a social construction.

If only she'd claimed to be a man as well. Then people would have had to tie themselves up defending why she is definitely a man but not black.

There was such a case in Canada recently - Gwen Benaway.

They had to work quite hard to pretend that their claim to be indigenous was outrageous while totally ignoring any issues about their claim to be a woman.

Made my head hurt a bit.

Well it must have been hard for her to come clean . She has lost her career I suppose? Now , if she identified as a man...

Sarcasm. PP is mimicking what is usually said by Genderists. Ah! Thanks. I obviously got up too early this morning