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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

An apology to JK Rowling

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queenofknives · 03/09/2020 09:16

Really excellent article by an Australian feminist: areomagazine.com/2020/06/23/an-apology-to-jk-rowling/

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SunsetBeetch · 03/09/2020 09:29

That is excellent, really well written.

BlackWaveComing · 03/09/2020 09:31

My kids almost stopped speaking to me when I posted that article to social media.
It's good though.

QualityFeet · 03/09/2020 09:36

Blackwavecoming Hope your kids one day see the irony in that!

BlackWaveComing · 03/09/2020 09:37

@QualityFeet

Blackwavecoming Hope your kids one day see the irony in that!
Me too!
ArabellaScott · 03/09/2020 09:43

'the problem is the collapse of our capacity to disagree constructively'

good article.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 03/09/2020 09:54

I've shared it to facebook it so well written. I hope some of the youngsters I know who wave the TWAW flag will actually read it. We will see.

QualityFeet · 03/09/2020 09:55

I bet!

Grellbunt · 03/09/2020 09:59

Superb.

Karatema · 03/09/2020 10:02

Thank you for posting this Smile

TweeBree · 03/09/2020 10:09

Those of us on the left—and left-wing feminists in particular—who find trans ideology fraught, for all the reasons Rowling outlines, are a very small group.

I think she did a disservice when she included this line. I don't think it's true.

Datun · 03/09/2020 10:26

Very insightful and sobering. Although I slightly disagree with the fact she thinks alignment with JK Rowling's position is not the prevailing view. I think it is, it's just people holding it are scared.

The algorithm searching for and recording your every click, like and share, your every purchase, search term, conversation, movement, facial expression, social connection and preference rewards engagement above all else—which means that your feed—an aptly infantile descriptor—will quickly become full of the things you and others like you are most likely to be motivated to click, like and share. Outrage is a more effective mechanism through which to foster engagement than almost anything else.

Outrage is actively promoted.

Something I have only recently realised, and is rather worrying.

Jaxhog · 03/09/2020 10:31

The Balkanisation of culture into silos of unreason

I wish I'd said that. But an excellent article.

Blue5238 · 03/09/2020 10:32

I agree with TweeBree that that line stuck out as crap.
My family and friends number lots of left leaning feminists who absolutely agree with JKR on this issue. But very few of them bother with Twitter, or indeed much social media full stop.

Nomnomarrgh · 03/09/2020 12:13

I found it very rambling and confusing to read. Not sure it will change the minds of people who are controlled by quick thoughts and clickbait.

Beamur · 03/09/2020 12:32

Good article.

howard97A · 03/09/2020 12:33

In the Comments, the writer responds to those who criticize her assertion that “Those of us on the left—and left-wing feminists in particular—who find trans ideology fraught, for all the reasons Rowling outlines, are a very small group.”

She says:

“I agree that GC feminism is growing. I think my Australian lens came in to play here. We do not have a movement like in the UK and our views routinely marginalise us in academic, media, arts, welfare, public service etc institutions. Nonetheless, point taken. I would change this if I had my time over!”

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/09/2020 12:37

If you deal primarily in subjective experience and impulse-driven reaction, under the assumption that you occupy the undisputed moral high ground, and you’ve been incited by fake news and want to signal your allegiances to your social media friends, then you can’t engage in rational discussion with your opponent.

Very good article. I think this is one of the key points too. I’ve been thinking about how insufferably smug some of the key protagonists are in this shitshow - especially male allies of the ilk of Maugham and Harrop.

They don’t doubt their occupation of the moral high ground for a single second. Which is what makes them so fanatical and dangerous, and, as Bueskens says, wholly impossible to reason with.

Whereas I think most of us will have questioned our views pretty rigorously, and have arrived at where we are despite self-doubt, because of reason, evidence, truth. And a genuine belief in social justice.

When I see Maugham et al congratulating themselves on how thoroughly Right and Good they are, it does kind of make my innards combust.

Let’s not forget that those carrying out the Spanish Inquisition, and many other atrocities in history, also assumed they occupied the undisputed moral high ground. As I said, fanatical and dangerous. And utterly inhumane.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/09/2020 12:38

@howard97A

In the Comments, the writer responds to those who criticize her assertion that “Those of us on the left—and left-wing feminists in particular—who find trans ideology fraught, for all the reasons Rowling outlines, are a very small group.”

She says:

“I agree that GC feminism is growing. I think my Australian lens came in to play here. We do not have a movement like in the UK and our views routinely marginalise us in academic, media, arts, welfare, public service etc institutions. Nonetheless, point taken. I would change this if I had my time over!”

That’s what I presumed when I read it, as it also jarred with me. Thanks for this, howard.
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/09/2020 12:40

@Nomnomarrgh

I found it very rambling and confusing to read. Not sure it will change the minds of people who are controlled by quick thoughts and clickbait.
Didn’t find it at all rambling or confusing myself. And I don’t think it’s meant to change those people’s minds. More to give the rest of us an insight into how futile it is trying to reason with them, so we don’t waste our energy on doing so.
queenofknives · 03/09/2020 12:56

I get the impression that Australians are just starting to confront this ideology in a way that women here have been doing for a long time now.

I agree that JKR's views are essentially mainstream views, but people are too scared to voice them because of this crazy response.

It is true that it's futile time trying to argue with people who think discussion itself is hateful, although thank heavens for the women who do this so that onlookers can work out what's going on. All we can really do is keep talking and letting others know that they're not alone.

On whether it's rambling - I thought it was very clear, but the stuff about how social media outrage is self-perpetuating isn't perhaps immediately obvious and doesn't always come up in discussions about trans stuff. It is one of the reasons I left social media, because it is an outrage machine that thrives the more unhappy and annoyed we all are. And it very well serves an ideology that is all about good and evil, and keeps pointing at 'evil' and getting us all to engage.

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