Black Lives Matter distance themselves from activists who attacked women at Speakers Corner

[DJLippy]

Make More Noise were contacted by a person proported to represent Black Lives Matter to distance themselves from the actions of those present at Speakers Corner and express solidarity with women and their right to free assembly

twitter.com/Aja02537920/status/1300846048131375106?s=20

I blame Stephen "be kind to men" Fry.

Is he still on it?

MS cancelled their cartoonist following pressure from "our side".

gcritical.org/2020/07/12/the-cancelled-cartoonist/

@HyperboleKnickers

(twitter is one of the least used social media platform)

If this is true (and I hope it is) why on earth is it so chuffing ubiquitous and oft quoted/referenced?

24% of people in the UK according to this

www.talkwalker.com/blog/social-media-statistics-in-the-uk#

The trouble is that almost any progressive movement in the UK tends to be hijacked early on by far-left groups like the SWP.

Saying that BLM set out as an extreme left wing group is as inaccurate as saying because Women's March set out an agenda that was incredibly woke, left wing and some say anti semitic, means that all women's groups are.

BLM both here and in the states was a name adopted by local grassroots activists. There was no agenda.

But as with Women's March, and much appreicated by the media who are too idle to do proper reporting, a group set up a web site claiming they are BLM and put out an agenda of the politics of the 2 or 3 people who did that.

I find it hard to believe that because a web site says it is this that or the other than any one on this forum would take it as fact.

And one of the main groups who infiltrated or appropriated the BLM logo was the SWP and its affiliate Stand Up to Racism.

I dont know what the agenda is of the many genuine BLM grassroots groups are because they are drowned out by the usual suspects who the media aggrandise because it is easier to do that.

And dont forget this is exactly what they do to women's groups and feminists activism. They will report that Sisters Uncut is THE feminists groups, and so on.

There is no basis for making sweeping generalisations about a movement based on the content of one web site.

And anyhow the march in Hyde Park was not a BLM march. It was a totally different organisation.

There's a bunch of white people on Twitter claiming that because one black person doesn't know another black person, he's a liar. I'm perplexed by this. Is there a white assumption that all black people know each other?

There is no basis for making sweeping generalisations about a movement based on the content of one web site.

The ‘movement’ if that’s what you’re calling it, is not what is being referenced here, it’s the Marxist group that organised a lot of the protests that calls itself BLM. I’ve been fighting racial injustice my whole life and continue to, without using the blm phrase.

I’d missed that RozWatching. Depressing.

@RoyalCorgi

The trouble is that almost any progressive movement in the UK tends to be hijacked early on by far-left groups like the SWP.

They were smart when I was at university. They'd pay for coach travel to protests if you joined. I joined. They were very insistent that I sell their stupid paper. I declined.

My first run in with beardy wokester brocialist types. Quite glad my arsey youthful self didn't give in.

@stumbledin is quite right. I live in an area with an active BLM with a grassroots origin and is led by local, trusted community members who do more to help black lives than just BLM. They are often at odds with larger outside BLM activists.

Ditto the Women's March - that was one of the most powerful surges of organic, grassroots uprising in direct response to the election of Trump. Sadly, it was hijacked by narrowly focused special interest groups who shamed the original founder into resigning.

I find it hard to believe that because a web site says it is this that or the other than any one on this forum would take it as fact.

I think this is a general issue with grassroots movements. Without central organisation anyone can say anything. Instinction Rebellion has also had problems with this (e.g. anyone can jump on top of tube train and stop people going to work and claim they represent Instinction Rebellion).

MS cancelled their cartoonist following pressure from "our side".
gcritical.org/2020/07/12/the-cancelled-cartoonist/

In case anyone didn't get Roz's irony -- Morning Star, which is one of the few leftwing publications that supports women's rights, cancelled its cartoonist Stella under pressure from trade unions GMB and Unison, which have totally swallowed the trans line. MS has now backtracked a bit and apologised to Stella.

And as Iguana says, the SWP in the past dismissed sexual politics as bourgeois deviation. That was when sexual politics were feminism. Now it's all about telling women to stfu, they're all over it.

Hitting the nail right on the head.

@stumbledin

Saying that BLM set out as an extreme left wing group is as inaccurate as saying because Women's March set out an agenda that was incredibly woke, left wing and some say anti semitic, means that all women's groups are.

BLM both here and in the states was a name adopted by local grassroots activists. There was no agenda.

But as with Women's March, and much appreicated by the media who are too idle to do proper reporting, a group set up a web site claiming they are BLM and put out an agenda of the politics of the 2 or 3 people who did that.

I find it hard to believe that because a web site says it is this that or the other than any one on this forum would take it as fact.

And one of the main groups who infiltrated or appropriated the BLM logo was the SWP and its affiliate Stand Up to Racism.

I dont know what the agenda is of the many genuine BLM grassroots groups are because they are drowned out by the usual suspects who the media aggrandise because it is easier to do that.

And dont forget this is exactly what they do to women's groups and feminists activism. They will report that Sisters Uncut is THE feminists groups, and so on.

There is no basis for making sweeping generalisations about a movement based on the content of one web site.

And anyhow the march in Hyde Park was not a BLM march. It was a totally different organisation.

Patrisse Cullors, one of founders of BLM US is a declared Marxist. Amongst the principles being pushed by BLM was the destruction of capitalism , the nuclear family and the defunding and eventual abolition of the police.

So... she watched Mad Max a lot as a kid?

Don’t know if I watched the right video but I saw one with some women trying to ask people in an angry crowd to define what a woman is. Now that is stunning and brave

That is heroic. Those women would remember a mob going for a 60-year-old woman in Hyde Park, and one of them was convicted of assaulting her. Yet they still stood up and spoke out. I love women's courage.

Yes, and the woman - Maria - who was assaulted by the TRA thugs a couple of years ago was also at Speakers Corner last Sunday & having to witness & face the aggression and threatened violence of those claiming to be BLM activists. I saw her in a couple of video shots.

Maria was my ‘bad influence’ moment...

the woman - Maria - who was assaulted by the TRA thugs a couple of years ago was also at Speakers Corner last Sunday & having to witness & face the aggression and threatened violence of those claiming to be BLM activists.

That is another level of courage, after having been physically assaulted and knocked down. But we musn’t say anything about women’s bodies as it might upset the poor transactivists.

Couple of white people struggling to conceed they might have to believe a black person whilst attempting to cling on to the moral high ground.

Here's Sally and Mallory smearing the wrong kind of black person.

Sally absolutely thrilled to have a black person to denounce if it means she can undermine women at the same time.

Seems like there isn't a consensus on whether or not this was actually organized "officially" by BLM, a mess either way. Though I had to roll my eyes at this line:

"BLM believe and actively promote everyone's right to speak out against racism of all forms, and in no way do we promote prejudice behavior towards any people, no matter what their ethnicity, religious beliefs, age or sexual orientation."

For such a long statement to say they stand with women, it's a bit ironic "sex" was omitted from an otherwise complete list of legally protected characteristics.

There's a bunch of white people on Twitter claiming that because one black person doesn't know another black person, he's a liar. I'm perplexed by this. Is there a white assumption that all black people know each other?

I mean, there’s a certain type of white person, who will go through terrible pains to point out other people’s original sin of being white, on the hope that by mentioning it, they can show they’re different to these boring regular schmegular white people, indeed they are special white people.
They are allies. They are white, but also non-binary, so also discriminated against, therefore not like the other white people.
They think having coloured hair somehow makes them POC.
It probably won’t shock you, when they Tend to make statements like ‘trans women are women, just like black women are women’ to find out most of them are actually pretty fucking racist.

@ChurchOfWokeApostate

There's a bunch of white people on Twitter claiming that because one black person doesn't know another black person, he's a liar. I'm perplexed by this. Is there a white assumption that all black people know each other?

I mean, there’s a certain type of white person, who will go through terrible pains to point out other people’s original sin of being white, on the hope that by mentioning it, they can show they’re different to these boring regular schmegular white people, indeed they are special white people.
They are allies. They are white, but also non-binary, so also discriminated against, therefore not like the other white people.
They think having coloured hair somehow makes them POC.
It probably won’t shock you, when they Tend to make statements like ‘trans women are women, just like black women are women’ to find out most of them are actually pretty fucking racist.

This. 👆👆👏👏👏👏