I got called the T word we’re not allowed say

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Facebook group for my local area. Someone posts talking about the progress in gender equality, pay gaps etc.

I commented saying please don’t conflate sex and gender. Women have sex based rights that are protected by law not gender based rights.

Immediate reply by a third party “the only people who say things like that are T*RFS”.

Talk about a giant leap.

It was a woman who said it and I just despair for women everywhere I can’t even say something simple and the label is slapped on.

Ask what that is

I asked her to clarify where I said anything about trans people. She replied “don’t you want trans people to have equal rights?”

I have ignored it because I feel like she’s baiting me for a fight. I’m so tired of it.

Ask her what rights they don't currently have.

They are soooooo desperate to conflate anti LGB bigotry with gender critical analysis

@bellinisurge

They are soooooo desperate to conflate anti LGB bigotry with gender critical analysis

There is no room for gender criticism because it’s so deeply enmeshed with the trans rights lobby. They’ve made it impossible to even discuss it even when it comes down to lived experience of women like sex pay gap. We’re literally being muzzled.

She replied “don’t you want trans people to have equal rights?”

So trans rights can only be achieved by the erasure of women's rights? Is that what she's saying? What's 'equal' about that?

Because that is pretty much now where we're at: the right being sought is apparently the right to have women's sex based rights taken away from women. And apparently to prevent women even talking about them.

How should this be a right? Why is it a good thing? How will women losing all sex based rights and suffering the consequences magically give trans people 'equality'? In what way? And let's be honest, we're talking about TW, not about trans people: it's only TW as a population who require women's sex based rights to be sacrificed, so this is male people requiring that female rights be removed from females for their benefit.

No one currently has the right to be recognised in law as something they are in factual, actual material reality not, and to be granted the resources and provisions for those who live in that reality that society provides to ensure fairness, equality and social care. No debate has been held on whether this even should be a right in a civilised society, and how this is supposed to work in a fair way without negatively impacting those who cannot identify out of that population.

These mantras are thoughtless repetition of something no real thought has been given to, they need steady challenging because if you unpack it there is no way to make it anything like fair. Or sane.

Ask them to

• on the basis that TWAW

define what makes somebody a man ideally eligible to apply to Eton

I sometimes like to throw it back at them and say I'm saddened by their bigotry, why don't they want lesbians to to have equal rights?

As it happens, I don't actually want trans people to have what they define as equal rights. In as much as those 'equal rights' appear to involve being allowed to get changed with little girls at the swimming pool and join the 'women in leadership' programmes at work. If they were fighting for the right not to be evicted by their landlord, or not to be refused service in a café I'm sure we could all get on board with that. That doesn't seem to be the aim though.

isabelle
we'll only win this by pitting the men against each other
hence
WHAT IS A MAN ?
as a person cannot be a man and a woman at the same time
unless they are Philip Bunce
but get a definition of MEN that can be picked apart will crash it
FAR BETTER
than trying to define woman

@ListeningQuietly

isabelle we'll only win this by pitting the men against each other hence WHAT IS A MAN ? as a person cannot be a man and a woman at the same time unless they are Philip Bunce but get a definition of MEN that can be picked apart will crash it FAR BETTER than trying to define woman

That's a good point. I'm going to add that to my list of pertinent questions.

OhHoly
You could ask why she doesn't want girls and young women single sex spaces.
Sorry but this is a
park your tanks on their lawn moment

single sex boys schools
?? legality ??
shall we all start signing up as pupils on the basis that we identify as 12 year old boys ?
If they do not accept our selfID, why not

the _key point is that the TWAW agenda is misogynist
so can only be broken by exposing that point

Ask how erasure of sex based rights helps trans people get equal right. Do trans men and non-binary females not need access to abortion? Do they not need maternity leave after childbirth to help their bodies recover? Will they not experience a career setback due to this leave? Are they not affected by period poverty? All these issues only affect female sex class so we are indeed talking about sex based rights. Gender based rights would be a lot more diluted/meaningless. Or is she claiming that all female people have the same gender?

Now, you probably won't be able to claim on this Facebook group that only women and girls have periods after this, but that would most likely get you called the T word anyway.

I absolutely don’t want trans people to have their version of equal rights. A man that has identified as a woman shouldn’t be able to compete in women’s sports, get changed in girls/women’s locker rooms or use women’s toilets.

I have nothing against trans women, but I feel that it definitely takes away what makes us unique.

Is it a version of what trans people consider equal rights, or what some non-trans people think should be their equal rights?

Yes she was definitely bating you and had nothing good to argue back with. Either don't respond, or simply paste a link

www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights

If she wants she can argue with the law but don't argue with her on it. It's says there in black & white - 'sex'

Here's some lived experience as a woman in her fifties: care sandwich; career stagnation; prospect of a shit pension; biology biting back through the menopause, invisibility cloak that comes with age (love you, JKR). Happy to share if anyone wants to REALLY that authentic experience.

If it is such a hard and terrible thing to do on account of the violence and murder against them, why are trans groups advocating for so many, ever younger people to join them without encouraging any informed reflection on the enormous journey on which they are embarking?

Access to impartial mental health support has been removed because the campaigners managed to get gi reclassified as not being an mh issue.

The nb person I know apparently realised they didn’t identify as their birth sex around feb this year (former lesbian) and has started treatment already. That seems quite quick to me.

The nb person I know apparently realised they didn’t identify as their birth sex around feb this year (former lesbian) and has started treatment already. That seems quite quick to me.

It also strikes me that if one identifies as non-binary, surely no treatment should be necessary. There's something interesting about the fact that for male non-binary people, transition seems to involve a bit of eye-liner and a bit more "swish" in one's clothing choice. For female non-binary people it seems to involve a double mastectomy.

Almost as if this could in some way be connected with society's deeply entrenched sexism and the belief that the "default setting" for a human being is male.

But I'm sure none of this is about identifying out of being a woman as an escape from the shitty sex stereotyping in society, oh no.

Let's take it as a compliment!

"Why thank you! I am a radical feminist - sorely needed in the world sadly! - and I do want to make sure biological males continue to be correctly excluded from female sex-segregated spaces, yes."

I think we need to take back the term! I AM a radical feminist, massively gender critical and I should be braver and stand my ground.

I fear that getting into a discussion with someone like that would be like putting a hoover in my mouth. I’d be left with my insides sucked out and not a breath left in my body

Its not really about bravery, its just not healthy to get into online arguments with people who are only doing it to 'win' a fight they started.

They’ve made it impossible to even discuss it

This is a deliberate tactic. An immediate unsubstantiated accusation of bigotry. The intention is to force you into a defensive position and to demonize any critique or questioning of the slogan. Increasingly, I think that contemporary political orthodoxy is not secular at all. It is religious. Submission is demanded and expected. Those who refuse to submit are cancelled. This is the behaviour of authoritarian fanatics.