Mermaids trending on Twitter yet again ...

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

This time in the context of JKR (qu'el surprise) and making reference to suicide statistics which, as yet, I've never seen recorded in any official capacity (and would be pleased to be directed to these if wrong). The implication is that JKR is personally responsible for some such suicides, as mentioned directly in a tweet from their CEO.

I'm slack-jawed that even Mermaids could sink this low.

twitter.com/search?q=Mermaids&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

For those without Twitter, the response from LGB Alliance is particularly pertinent. They write:

'We’re seething with anger at the attacks on @jkrowling. She’ll eventually be proved right in all she says, but meanwhile the vile accusations continue. The trans org @Mermaidsgender has the audacity to weaponise suicide in a desperate attempt to discredit her. Disgusting'.

Mermaids acting irresponsibly, shocker.

They really are a disgrace, hopefully this will hasten their demise.

I mean if we wanna talk about who is damaging the mental health of kiddos and teens maybe we should talk to the ever-growing amount of detransitioners? See what they think?

That statement is just so awful. It shows how little they understand about child mental health. As well as suicide being very suggestible, self harm is too. It is very hard to get ideas about self harm out of your head.

It is awful for those kids that an organisation that is meant to help them is using their mental health to score points.

It is telling that Mermaids thought that JKR’s statement was about them when she explicitly did not name them (she mentioned organisations and no other organisations have responded). They are going to come out of this much worse than if they had just kept their mouths shut.

This type of message could potentially make children think that if they don’t want to self-harm they are not trans enough.

Could it result in children self-harming, expressing suicidal thoughts or even attempting to take their own lives to prove their trans credentials?

That doesn’t bear thinking about.

Children questioning their gender need mental health support. They do not need to be told incorrectly that people hate them and are denying their existence when it’s not true.

Also REALLY interesting to note that they want being trans to be removed as a mental health condition. Whilst paradoxically suggesting that trans children have such a fragile mental state that they could kill themselves over JKR asserting the notion that bio sex is real?

I've not been on twitter for a week or so, I was arguing that trans women do not have period pain. If they are taking hormones there may be mood swings but if you don't have a uterus than it can't 'cramp'.

I even had one of the trans activists supporting me, to a certain extent.

This type of message could potentially make children think that if they don’t want to self-harm they are not trans enough

Quite.

Lily Maynard has written about the suicide Myth in her blog.

Before Mermaids got involved, there was one suicide known to GIDS (Gender Identity Development Service, the UKs only service for gender questioning children) in ten years.

lilymaynard.com/hyperbole-and-the-trans-suicide-myth/

Michael Biggs, Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Oxford, reports having submitted a Freedom of Information request to GIDS, who replied reporting that there had been three suicides in 2016-17, one of a patient and two of patients on their waiting list

One suicide in nearly a decade then three in quick succession? Is the endless repetition of the suicide myth beginning to take its toll? Four is four too many deaths, but thankfully it seems to be far from an epidemic

Also REALLY interesting to note that they want being trans to be removed as a mental health condition.
Definitely interesting - I thought they already had achieved this- the WHO changed the definition from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria which apparently isn’t regarded as an mh condition? (I might have misunderstood here though so up for being corrected) after working with the activists sometime after 2017 (I shared an article on another thread that specifically mentioned that it was an mh condition at that stage).
It was my understanding that this is why mh support for gender questioning kids is rarely offered and they are funnelled straight through to the gender clinic.

Here we go - I can’t access google while I’m composing on my phone but this is what I was whiffling in about. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-48448804

Useful article on suicide in relation to trans young people, with referenced studies and links:

fairplayforwomen.com/suicide/

@BewaretheIckabog

This type of message could potentially make children think that if they don’t want to self-harm they are not trans enough.

Could it result in children self-harming, expressing suicidal thoughts or even attempting to take their own lives to prove their trans credentials?

That doesn’t bear thinking about.

Children questioning their gender need mental health support. They do not need to be told incorrectly that people hate them and are denying their existence when it’s not true.

This!!!

@Madanaa

I mean if we wanna talk about who is damaging the mental health of kiddos and teens maybe we should talk to the ever-growing amount of detransitioners? See what they think?

Quite.

But Helen from Mermaids thinks that detransitioners are grifting.
mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1299097420282945536
"It looks like Charlie Evans is exporting her anti-trans grift to the US!"

I’m surprised no one has had a word yet. Those kind of accusations are actionable.

How does Mimmymum make a living again?

More projection than IMAX 🙄

Do the Charity Commission take any interest in a children’s charity being so irresponsible around suicide?

The thing with the oft quoted suicide stats is that the author of the actual report they all quote has said the stats have been misinterpreted.

They are being called out massively. I assume they have switched off replies to only specific people (as seems to be the fashion these days)

@SerenityNowwwww

They are being called out massively. I assume they have switched off replies to only specific people (as seems to be the fashion these days)

Does that mean they don't get to see what other people are saying? So they may have no idea how their statement is going down?

Yeah it's the snowflake button which says "I'm going to stay in my echo chamber by muting everyone who disagrees with me.". I've seen it used by tras.

@NotBadConsidering

How does Mimmymum make a living again?

Mimmymum, this Mimmymum?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6764763/Britains-transgender-hate-crime-trial-halted-one-day.html

Xanthangum

Yes, prior to Green gaining control it was apparently a quite moderate support group for parents of kids with gender dysphoria, and said clearly that most children desist. She turned it into something quite different.

My goodness, it's difficult isn't it. I don't know who to side with here.

I mean on one hand we have what appears to be a deeply principled, self-made philanthropist. A donor of her wealth to charities that support women and children. Who has used their platform to support positive societal change and who has expressed themselves on this issue with compassion and support while urging caution.

Then we have the charity that has been ordered by courts to cease contact with a family. A charity that doesn't follow guidelines on reporting suicide. A charity headed by Susie Green who triggered a law change in Thailand following the removal and surgical alteration of her child's genitals when they were what? A day over 16? A charity that directed children and their families to the GP Helen Webberley who was suspended from practising. A charity associated with Helen Islan who took a trsmansexual to court causing them enormous distress. A charity that has already had a reprimand from IPSO for weaponising suicide against the journalist Janice Turner.

Tricky.

Trsmansexual, should be transexual. Autocorrect seemed to be trying to work in an abbreviation of Miranda Yardley.

Could it result in children self-harming, expressing suicidal thoughts or even attempting to take their own lives to prove their trans credentials?

I didn’t watch Butterfly, the BBC1 drama about the trans child which was heavily influenced by Mermaids. But I do remember hearing that it included a very graphic self harm scene. I wonder how many children watched that?