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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Australia newspaper report; Caution urged on under18 transgender surgery after false claims scandal

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334bu · 12/08/2020 07:38

www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/under18-transgender-surgery-caution-urged-after-false-claims-scandal/news-story/fe99d225724231d41de5493362b8ee67
Main stream media beginning to talk about this.

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MrsJamin · 12/08/2020 07:39

This is behind a paywall, can anyone summarise or cut and paste?

NotBadConsidering · 12/08/2020 07:51

It works when you click on link from this tweet:

mobile.twitter.com/NewgentTGA/status/1293378560896401408

334bu · 12/08/2020 08:14

Thanks for new link. Sorry didn't check before posting.

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JackiesArmy · 12/08/2020 08:33

Great article, and good comments, which is interesting in Australia.

I worry that this is the "sunk cost fallacy" phenomenon; so many professionals in so many fields have put in so much time and money and reputations into this that pulling back seems unthinkable to them.

As to the general public - most don't know, those who do often don't understand, and a significant proportion of those who are pushing it live in bubbles where they never see the alternative view. How many of the abusive TRAs on twitter, or their supporters, actually read JKR's comments? How many will read articles like this? Very few.

sultanasofa · 12/08/2020 08:34

Great article. Thank goodness for Rupert Murdoch (never thought I'd say that!), fearlessly pointing to the naked emperor in The Australian and The Times. No longer are there a few lone voices highlighting the dangers of medicating teenagers without an evidence base. There are guidance updates, corrections to journal articles, letters, mainstream media articles, legal challenges, detransitioners, and celebrities reverse ferreting. Good news.

Kaiserin · 12/08/2020 08:38

Good to see this being finally exposed for the healthcare scandal that it is.
I hope the idea gains more and more momentum. A proper review is long overdue.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 08:43

Wow. Excellent article. An international scandal?

This quote is also interesting, from one of the psychiatrists who wrote the report:

'He predicted the excesses of gender affirming treatment — like the 1990s “enthusiasm” over repressed memory and multiple personality — would be reined in by the courts, not by the psychiatric profession.'

NearlyGranny · 12/08/2020 08:59

We need to remember that lobotomy was an approved surgical route for teenage girls who had become hard to 'handle' (demonstrated a will of their own) in the C20th.

Somebody is profiting from mutilating girls before they are fully mature. These people will reap the whirlwind, but no amount of compensation will put things right for their victims.

Datun · 12/08/2020 09:28

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

Wow. Excellent article. An international scandal?

This quote is also interesting, from one of the psychiatrists who wrote the report:

'He predicted the excesses of gender affirming treatment — like the 1990s “enthusiasm” over repressed memory and multiple personality — would be reined in by the courts, not by the psychiatric profession.'

That's Paul McHugh, who was head of psychiatry at John Hopkins Hospital. The first hospital to pioneer gender surgery in 1966.

He eventually had it stopped in 1979 as he had concluded that gender dysphoria was a psychiatric condition, not a biological one, and patients were not satisfactorily served by a physical intervention.

He has been vilified by people in the transgender community ever since.

The hospital subsequently decided to resume the surgical program.

But he personally still believes it's a psychiatric issue, not a physical one.

Presumably, as more evidence emerges that surgery is not the best outcome, he will prevail.

In an interview from his home in Baltimore, where he still sees patients, McHugh explained that the “duty of all doctors who propose a treatment is to know the nature of the problem they propose to treat. The issue of transgender [people] is, the vast majority coming for surgery now don’t have a biological reason but a psychosocial reason.”

www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/long-shadow-cast-by-psychiatrist-on-transgender-issues-finally-recedes-at-johns-hopkins/2017/04/05/e851e56e-0d85-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html

Winesalot · 12/08/2020 09:48

Bernard Lane has been vocal about this particular issue. Always a good read.

However, it is a bit concerning that Queensland is about to vote on a conversion bill. I hope they have read the latest papers and that the Yale study has had that correction go through. But sadly, I think it will go through there.

ncc.org.au/afa-blog/afa-qld/qld-labor-set-to-criminalise-more-than-just-conversion-therapy/?fbclid=IwAR0E8dRUkCa5x9vaw60ht-MuLcBwL0pKKbuGxIbDqnvdMlmlYAM7ulQv-gY

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 23:34

Thanks for background, Datun.

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