Views that won't change

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It's just dawned on me-having been up to my neck in a local labour page discussion today that those who fully accept that TWAW are just never going to see it any other way-the vitriol against any other view, the absolute conviction of it and absolution that any dissenting view is a heresy.
I'm just so sad, local people many of whom I love being so so closed, blinkered and spitting feathers at the notion that we should discuss women's rights and needs and the differing rights and needs of TW/TM without it meaning we are denying their existence! The hyperbole!
I'm just a bit urgh with it all today

He is hard of imagination then isn’t he? People like that only ‘gets it’ when it directly impacts their life or security.

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He is hard of imagination then isn’t he? People like that only ‘gets it’ when it directly impacts their life or security.

I don't want to make him sound awful because he is an amazing person I think it might be a lack of spare emotional capacity to engage at the moment and ineffective communication on my part - we'll get there eventually.

Oh no. It everyone is one thing or another but some people don’t have a lot of empathy when they are blinded by one side of an argument. I’m the opposite - I have always had splinters in my bum and mum used to say I could argue two sides of the same debate at the same time.

gardenbird, what you are saying about your DH makes perfect sense - once you are 'in' this world it is properly horrifying but I honestly think most people have no idea of where we are at. Because TWAW taken literally is so obviously ludicrous, 'normal' people assume that it couldn't possibly be applied literally in situations like refuges, intimate care, girl guiding, teenagers on school trips etc etc. Or that if it is, it is in a vanishingly small number of situations involving people who have had full surgical reassignment. I think most people have no idea what the reality of self ID means.

Have you shown him the sex-ed porn dice thing? That also helped DH sit up and take notice.

absolutely, most people have no idea what is really going on. My mum today showed me a fundraising newsletter from a women's charity that mentioned 'LBTQIA+' (if she was quoting it accurately it was interesting that G wasn't mentioned) most of the content was standard about helping women in developing countries then there was a story about 'a girl who was born a boy' in Nepal, and what do you know, this child preferred playing with dolls to playing football.

Anyway we agreed that little boys should be able to play with dolls if they want. But when I explained about men in women's spaces she didn't get it immediately until I said, well what if you went for a smear and asked for a female nurse but you got a man who said he was a woman? She just frowned and said, well, yes, but that would never happen really would it.....