Kate Tempest - new name, new pronouns and a haircut

[MarSeeAh]

I was listening to Jo Wiley’s show earlier and she announced that Kate Tempest, singer/poet, has announced that she is non-binary, now to be known as Kate, changed her pronouns to they ....

To be honest, I didn’t even know what Kate Tempest looked like, and the only song of hers which I know is “Peoples’ Faces” which Jo had just played - otherwise I wouldn’t have had a clue who she was talking about.

www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/06/kate-tempest-announces-they-are-non-binary-changes-name-to-kae

Going by images of Kate/Kae online, she had long hair until recently.

I grew up in the ‘70s and 80s when hair length was no indication at all of sex - because it isn’t!

Now, every time I see a girl or young woman get her long hair cut short, I’m waiting for the new name and pronouns to be announced.

Why this fixation on the superficial?

The advantage of being old is that we’ve seen it all before.

I think I just expected this site to represent the majority of mothers or parents (because not all parental setups involve mothers). I think I have come to the wrong place.

I'll exit stage left, back into the real world where my non binary partner and I can raise our kids in peace.

I've read your room, and it's not inclusive to me, a fellow mum. Have fun in your net.

What on earth has made you think the site doesn't represent the majority of mothers or parents?

We welcome all family set ups but if you have a child there was some biology involved in getting it here ie two gametes - one from a male and one from a male - just the same as all children.

One from a male and one from a female

Modern?! MODERN?! We'll have none of that nonsense round here. Be gone with you now, young person for it is Sunday and we have the heterosexual frumping to be getting on with.

@Rumble85

I think I just expected this site to represent the majority of mothers or parents (because not all parental setups involve mothers). I think I have come to the wrong place.

I'll exit stage left, back into the real world where my non binary partner and I can raise our kids in peace.

I've read your room, and it's not inclusive to me, a fellow mum. Have fun in your net.

Oh you are funny, pet. 🤣

“I’ll exit , stage left, with my partner” would have been enough.
We are all non binary. Every single person I know is non binary, so in what way are we excluding you ?

@xxyzz

Oh no - we might not be modern enough.

It does make me laugh how people think attacking feminists for being old is going to be a real killer insult. Because obviously, the worst thing a woman could possibly be is slightly unyouthful...

Quite the opposite imo - we're decades ahead of the younger generation in our acceptance of gender-nonconformity. So much so that we think it completely unremarkable that a woman rejects femininity and cuts her hair and fancies other women. These are all perfectly normal things to do, as far as we're concerned. Many of us have been doing these things ourselves for decades - we just regarded them as so utterly commonplace we wouldn't have dreamed it required a label!

Ah! I was told she was a brilliant wordsmith, so searing, honest and raw! I checked out some of her peoms and music... kind of teen angst, lots of well used analogies and, to be honest, a tad repetitive! A bit like Sam Smith in the "Here are my feeelings, adore me!" manner.

Let me untangle the madness that knots you
I drop to my knees and crawl across you

Like we're going to buckle underneath the trouble
Like any minute now
The struggle's going to finish us

@Rumble85 I remember during the 80s when we were angsting over gender bending, fighting social norms and just being what would nowadays be called "non binary". I'm in my mid 50s now, still don't conform to any of the gendered expectations. Stick around. Once you get past the difference in how we talk about it (non binar is just how many of us are, we don't wear that label) you'll discover that many of us are far more accepting of whatver the hell you want to be than you have been led to believe.

We just don't want to be told that we are wrong, must budge up, or that biology is immaterial!

@OldCrone

Yet on the other hand this raised consciousness never seems to help in avoiding taking on "wife- work" , not buying presents for husband's family, dividing child care equally. That is always too difficult because of "the patriarchy" or "female socialisation"

I seem to have missed those threads. Can you post some links?

Really? You missed all the posts and threads complaining about how difficult, nay impossible, it is not to do "wife- work"? How terribly difficult it is too throw off female socialisation? How odd.

There was even a thread where this was personified as one's inner Beryl (not quite sure if that was the name , but a name was given to this mindset and how terribly difficult it was to ignore Beryl.

Wow. Some furious judgemental people commenting on Tempest's gender thing here.
Until you see them live, you don't know their work. The rest is irrelevant.
It's like finding out your favourite footballer's playlist, or scientist's politics. But the anger here is bizarre.

Lol, heterosexual frumping, that's going to tickle me for the rest of this Wednesday afternoon Scrimpshaw. Love a good old dowdy frump about the place

its like finding out your favourite footballer's playlist, or scientist's politics. But the anger here is bizarre.

NB are the new “not like other girls”. Oh, yes, I’m female but I’m not like THAT. Where THAT is some gross 1950s stereotype. In other words it’s internalized misogyny, a totally normal reaction to patriarchy but one in which you throw everyone else under the bus.

Especially For those of us Who Were “not Like other girls” In our youth It definitely brings forth an eye roll and a big sigh.

They’ll grow out of it, yes, Once they too accept that women are people, but I’m allowed to be annoyed if I want.

Love the visitors who find old threads to pretend to be shocked and outraged by.