Julia Hartley-Brewer article today

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The ‘Individual with a cervix” will have her say
Page 21 of todays Telegraph.
A good piece about Trans activists etc

I can't find anything on the digital version. Dang!

Julia has an image copy on her twitter.

twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1290956340144279553?s=21

She was investigated by OFCOM for ‘transphobia’. Unbelievable...

I know. I was shocked too by that. An investigation for saying women and girls have periods that could have led to her losing her job.

And they say they are the most vulnerable group.

No one is going to silence her. She’s brilliant.

RE: "Potential to cause strong offence".

What about the strong offence experienced by many females when their biology and experiences are erased by virtue of being reduced to "cervix havers"?

When we can't even call ourselves women anymore without being referred to as a sub category of our own sex through the "requirement" to add an unnecessary and reductive prefix.

When do we get to be legitimately offended by out our rights, biology and experiences being stolen by men?

It's ridiculous she was investigated in the first place but just as bad is the notion that anything she said was offensive.

I expect Ofcom have been thoroughly captured by the likes of Trans Media Watch. Glad it came to nothing, but not nice for her.

They're really going after this periods/menstruator thing, aren't they? It's ridiculous.

I bet she has a crime-non-crime thought-criminal record too.

"They insist we believe too" is the crux of it. The pushing of the "wrong think" agenda is the scariest thing to me. Good to see this article.

Well at least it's a precedent that complaining about it wont get you very far.

I keep posting this but Stonewall is no longer insisting we believe.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/27/stonewall-new-boss-gender-transgender-rights-nancy-kelley

The moaners should catch up. Educate themselves.

Thank you, Winesalot and Baroness.

Stonewall is no longer insisting we believe.

How generous of them, to give up on something they never had a chance of winning!

But the new CEO still insisted that "reforms to the administrative process [make] little difference to anybody apart from trans people”.

Presumably she then stuck her fingers back in her ears while chanting "Can't hear you, can't hear you" to the women who have amassed a mountain of evidence that single-sex facilities make a very big difference to women and girls.

I love JHB
She's fearless in an industry awash with cowards.

I love this interview with Julie and Lily Madigan.

You can just hear Lily thinking "Shit, this really is nonsense when you say it out loud" while trying to stay on message!

I can't say I'm hugely reassured by that Guardian article. The agenda is the same, they are just going to pursue it with less noise.

And the stuff that happens behind closed doors, really worries me.

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I can't say I'm hugely reassured by that Guardian article. The agenda is the same, they are just going to pursue it with less noise.

And the stuff that happens behind closed doors, really worries me.

I agree to an extent however I think the impact on their training is yet to be explored.

Effectively she's said that no-one has to believe that TWAW . So all the instructions to make single sex accommodation accessible to both sexes is now on the basis that we don't believe that TWAW and therefore it's much harder to bulshit about EQ2010.

From the Guardian ”Trans people can currently change their passport, driver’s licence, bank account and utility bills to match their self-declared gender identity with a letter from their doctor, proof of a name change (for example, a deed poll) and evidence that they are using their new name (such as a payslip). Yet reforms to bring birth certificates and gender recognition certificates in line with that have been met with considerable resistance.”

Yup, because the rest of this stuff was brought in under the radar and if we’d known, we’d have objected to those things too.

I’ve long thought that as trans rights increased, the crescendo of the more unpleasant voices might be the undoing of the whole process. The recent demand that we all believe men are women is a perfect example. The more strident transactivists have no brakes and it turns people against their arguments.

So Stonewall are retreating to “be kind, people are suffering”. This is a much harder message to argue against. If they are campaigning on that basis, but not compromising on the demands made, then that’s not a good thing.

I read this yesterday and I'm still shocked.

I'm not in the least encouraged that OFCOM didn't find cause to investigate further, not when they spoke in the same breath about 'potential for strong offence'.

Thank you for speaking up JH-B

At last, some common sense!

My local hospital has removed the word 'woman' from its information online in favour of 'birthing people'

This is for the labour & delivery wards. FFS.

I’m so pleased there are women like Julia making noise about this. A great common sense piece.

[quote SuitedandBooted]I love this interview with Julie and Lily Madigan.

You can just hear Lily thinking "Shit, this really is nonsense when you say it out loud" while trying to stay on message!

[/quote] That was the first time I'd seen that clip. I was just open mouthed.

What gets me is the sheer inability of people who wholeheartedly accept transgender ideology to present a coherent argument in support of their beliefs.

We are being asked to change our laws and our language for reasons that our politicians cannot even articulate. Julia asked perfectly sensible questions and Lily Madigan couldn't provide a proper response to any of them. Basically, if someone says they are a woman and believes that they are a woman, we must believe them. (I want to know how we can differentiate between people who truly believe it or if they are just saying it.)

I have read news articles about 50-year-old male-bodied people who believe that they are six-year-old girls. Do I just accept that? Do I accept that they are female, but a grown up woman, not a girl? Do I accept that they are a six-year-old girl? At what point do we draw the line?

JHB is asking all the right questions.

Wish I wish there were more women 'other' than JHB speaking out on this. Her views intersect with mine on this issue only - in most if not all other areas I think she is abhorrent and it's really challenging to be pigeonholed alongside people like her due to my GC opinions.
Something for me to deal with though, as I'm sure JHB quite rightly doesn't give a shit about what I think of her.

Strongly offensive? Why doesn't it matter that we women are offended at being referred to by our reproductive parts?