Where did gender identity ideology come from? - WHRC Webinar - Sat 8th August 3-4.30pm UK time

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Where did gender identity ideology come from? One source is the 2006 Yogyakarta Principles which claims to be “a universal guide to human rights which affirm binding international legal standards with which all States must comply.”

Find out more at Feminist Question Time LIVE on the Yogyakarta Principles.

Women's Human Rights Campaign (WHRC) is hosting a LIVE Feminist Question Time on Sat 8th August from 3-4.30pm UK time.

Our weekly online webinars are attended by a global feminist and activist audience of between 150-300. The main focus is how gender ideology is harming the rights of women and girls. You can see recordings of previous panels on our YouTube Channel.

This week’s speakers are:

Anna Zobnina, Feminist activist and expert on international women's rights law.

Fatina Lisa, LGB Alliance.

Tina Minkowitz, international human rights lawyer, expert on the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, and author of the paper (as LLM thesis) Female Autonomy vs Gender identity: A critical analysis of gender identity in CEDAW jurisprudence and the Yogyakarta Principles

Register in advance for this webinar: Zoom link

Gender identity ideology existed way before 2006!

The Yogyakarta Principles was / is just one of the staging posts of what has been a decades long attack on women's rights.

That's pretty interesting stumbledin. Do you think you might attend the webinar? Maybe you could expand on what the speakers might say during the Q&A session?

Well it must have been before 2006 otherwise there wouldn't have been a GRA in 204.

Have you listed to Selina Todd's speech at the WPUK meeting in London 2019?

Quite a few said it was a great speech and very informative but the irony was that she was able to say it on the basis of being a socialist historian and be listened to, but that at the time radical feminist who pointed out what was happening were ignored!

It was the sucess of queer politics in universities in the late 70s and 80s that saw Women's Studies become Gender Studies, that started the backlash against women. And all the students educated then moved into positions of influence in the media and politics. That's when the media started using the word sex instead of gender (sex work instead of prostitution). Now there is a whole generation or two who genuinely think sex and gender are the same as that is what they were taught in University.

And that takeover also helped created the concept of feminism as being old and out of date and just relevant to old bitter women!

I think what would be useful is to find out how many people / institutions know of let alone pay attention to the YPs - and more importantly signed up to it.

It is part of what seems to be a global movement to create building blocks on which trans rights over an above everyone else's can be established.

Link to an earlier thread about the Yogyakarta Principles.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Well it must have been before 2006 otherwise there wouldn't have been a GRA in 2004.

And there has been a gender identity clinic in the UK since 1966.

But I think 'gender identity' meant something different back then. The idea that 'everyone has a gender identity' as stated in the Yogyakarta Principles is relatively new.

Gender identity is understood to refer to each person’s deeply felt internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond with the sex assigned at birth, including the personal sense of the body (which may involve, if freely chosen, modification of bodily appearance or function by medical, surgical or other means) and other expressions of gender, including dress, speech and mannerisms.

yogyakartaprinciples.org/introduction/

Wont post again but it is another example of how women are never part of decision making processes.

eg imagine the difference if LGB Allinace was the main source of consultation by the Government or WPUK.

Obviously because the queer politics that promoted the choice agenda had become so ingrained that those drawing up those principles were influenced by that concept.

It hasn't been adopted by the UN.

It is a bit like the GRA. While we were looking the other way men / MRAs were putting in place concepts that fit their agenda.

The worry is that all too often in trying to put foward a woman centred approach, because the woke contingent have colonised the progressive agenda, women end up appearing to share an agenda with right wing reactionaries.

Thanks for the link to Selina Todd's speech stumbledin. I shall have a listen.

Can I just say the weekly WHRC Feminist question time zoom webinars are becoming a regular fixture in my life. I really enjoy them. They are very professionally presented, usually with a range of excellent speakers from around the world and it is so interesting to hear what is going on in other countries (much the same shit as here). Connections and networking happen in the live chat. I really recommend it.

Reminder that this starts at 3pm!

P.S. Video of Selina Todd's speech was good. Thanks stumbledin.

This was quite a terrifying listen - I urge you to do so, if you haven't already. Not only are the Yogyakarta principles being taken as authoritative in civil society, political lobbying and policy making, but they are actually finding their way into law itself. What made me feel most concerned how the principles are being espoused across the world through UN lobbying mechanisms and that there is a real a danger that the principles may - almost inadvertently - become part of international law (rather fuzzy law that governs the way nation states interest with one another).

For thousands of years various patriarchal cultures have devised ways to accommodate males who deviate from sex role stereotypes.
I suppose that in many ways we are seeing a modern version of that ancient tradition.