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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trevor Phillips in The Times - sustained bigotry in universities

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/08/2020 07:28

An excellent article about the shameful silencing of men and women in universities and the appalling lack of leadership to counter this. Share token:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/042e8456-d5c7-11ea-8f95-6d813022b2d7?shareToken=2575de59569b20dbe1df3c3405e89ae2

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Binterested · 04/08/2020 07:36

Oh my goodness. I love Trevor Philips. Can he just give everyone a good talking to please ?

Is he still suspended from the Labour Party?

teawamutu · 04/08/2020 08:32

Came on to talk about this piece - superb. Particularly like the way he puts the treatment of women in context with the overall woke hegemony.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 04/08/2020 08:52

Bravo, Mr Phillips! I know a few university employees and they are veering further away from critical thought with regards the sexes the longer they work there. Except the one who's speciality involves physiology and anatomy - they have retained their ability to differentiate between men and women.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 04/08/2020 08:54

From the Times article, although I could have quoted the whole thing
On the face of it, our universities are now run by a majority who believe they know it all and need to learn nothing. It makes you wonder about the point of the billions of pounds spent on research by people who seem to have all the answers already

Reasons why I love Trevor Phillips, no 997

Haggardy · 04/08/2020 08:55

Oh that's a great article.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 04/08/2020 09:23

Well, that makes my experience in a local uni less surprising. The dept was stuffed with aging Marxists, one of whom had the nerve to lecture a Chinese academic for being a bit cross about the massive famine under Mao.

highame · 04/08/2020 09:27

I shake up of all our education establishments appears to be long overdue. This complacency might be brought about because of this highly unionised industry - Discuss

DialSquare · 04/08/2020 09:31

I love him. He's the Tzar of common sense.

JoysOfString · 04/08/2020 09:38

Thanks for linking to that op! Agree we need more of his no-shit attitude and people who’ll tell it like it is and see through the right-on bollocks.

Nandakanda · 04/08/2020 09:41

Always worth reading Trevor Phillips.

In the normal run of things he would have been a Labour Party grandee by now, but he was suspended for what? Telling the truth as far as I can see.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 04/08/2020 09:55

Excellent article.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/08/2020 10:05

It's a great article isn't it? And to think that the Labour party has him suspended Confused.

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timetest · 04/08/2020 10:09

I love the Galileo story. I’m going to use it on DD when she starts wokesplaining me.

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 04/08/2020 14:25

I read this this morning too, very good article!

WendyHoused · 04/08/2020 14:35

Thanks for sharing that article, it's brilliant

highame · 04/08/2020 15:56

Just read it for the second time and I love the way he writes

Also, in the Times today letters to the Editor about similar topic. Academic freedom and self -censorship. UCU dismisses Policy Exchanges findings as a myth yet their own 2017 report finds significantly higher levels of systematic abuse of their academic freedoms than their European counterparts.

Funny that

BovaryX · 04/08/2020 16:12

Good conclusion:

Whatever they think they are achieving, their real target is not defending minorities but controlling them. The biggest losers here are the very people that the cult purports to defend. Yes, they will march alongside you if you are black, gay, lesbian, trans, female or disabled — but only so long as you shuffle along obediently to the beat of their dreary, robotic drum

SophocIestheFox · 04/08/2020 17:03

That really is a belter. To be fair though, I found the seeds of the same smugness, self satisfaction and utter conviction of rectitude when I was at uni in the 90s. I think it’s been a long time in the making. And there has always been that middle class, well educated improving conviction that if only everyone thought and acted as we do, that would be best, because of course, our values and opinions are best. I don’t think it’s ever been this doctrinaire, intolerant and joyless though,

MsSafina · 04/08/2020 17:14

Corona virus should be an opportunity for the Government to cleanse some of the departments who have perpetrated nonsense such as queer and gender studies. They will be strapped for cash right now and going to the Government with the begging bowl.

Siablue · 04/08/2020 17:30

I think it was a good article. What happened to Trevor Phillips. Why was he chucked out of the Labour Party? Apparently there are no black commissioners at the Equality and Human Rights Commission. I think that equality is going backwards in a lot of ways.

CatandtheFiddle · 04/08/2020 17:33

I appreciate the energy & fire of this piece, but I'd like to have a jolly good argument with him about it. It's possible to be a liberal thinker and see a number of view points - that's kind of what liberalism (a la John Stuart Mill) is.

And as academics, we are trained to think oppositionally, against the grain - it's the critical thinking that is essential to keep up innovation & creativity.

I think that partly what's gone a bit awry is that sometimes half-digested oppositional theory (often grouped together as "post-modernism" but po-mo is not an homogeneous set of ideas) is converted into half-digested not very thought through practice.

Which is to be expected - ideology/discourse/ideas/thinking/words have actual (material) consequences, as most (all?) women know to their cost. Being sexually harassed on the street (catcalled) can make you do things and/or feel a certain way: cross the road, shrink, look away, for example. Women know this, as do ethnic or racial minorities.

But there's a punitive fierce and vengeful edge to some of it now. Like a pent up spring is exploding - sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I'm coming over all po-mo myself a bit here - but it's a dialogue, a dialectic. As soon as we lose the will, ability, or freedom to debate - that's when we're lost.

So you know what I think about #NoDebate and "cancel culture" ...

JayAlfredPrufrock · 04/08/2020 17:51

Place marking to remind me to read it later.

I love Trevor.

HopeClearwater · 04/08/2020 17:57

Corona virus should be an opportunity for the Government to cleanse some of the departments who have perpetrated nonsense such as queer and gender studies

Too right. Every time I see someone on Twitter with a degree in gender studies I know they’ll be accusing some poor woman of transphobia.

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