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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A handy list of all our privileges

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Anonymouse99 · 04/08/2020 04:01

www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/list-of-cisgender-privileges/

I can’t sleep and went down a bit of a rabbit hole online and came across this. It’s made me really cross. I started to pick out ones that I could come back with an example of sexism, objectification or misogyny that women experience that was comparable but then realised it could apply to nearly all of them.

“C*s privilege” is the concept that pisses me off the most. The only people with it are men and it’s just plain old ordinary male privilege - which any transwoman would have benefited from pre-transition whether they wanted to or not and a transman will experience once they have transitioned.

The whole list is just someone trying to show how much worse they have it than anyone else and many of those “privileges” are rights that women fought hard for as we need them.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 04/08/2020 14:20

I laughed the whole way through the list. It was awful when first published to explain white privilege, and is even worse when idiots cut and paste in their favourite cause du jour., in this case, gender expression.

terryleather · 04/08/2020 14:36

And time for this again too...

A handy list of all our privileges
Anonymouse99 · 04/08/2020 14:37

I’m glad it’s not just me. Two that I thought stood out were:

Hollywood accurately depicts people of your gender in films and television, without tokenizing your identity as the focus of a dramatic storyline or the punchline of a joke.

Because all depictions of women in films are brilliant and diverse 3-dimensional characters that don’t rely on sexist stereotypes at all 🙄

You can pretend that anatomy and gender are irrevocably entwined when having the “boy parts and girl parts” talk with children, instead of having to explain the actual complexity of the issue.

Anatomy and gender aren’t irrevocably entwined, anatomy and sex on the other hand... It’s a bit much when people spouting this sort of nonsense don’t even understand the rules about the difference between sex and gender themselves.

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TyroSaysMeow · 04/08/2020 14:45

1 - no, I can't use public toilets without fear. There could be men in there, and I have to pretend they're not men; I have to pretend no man could ever possibly go in and set up hidden cameras; my second rapist could be indulging his identity in there.

2 - there's always anxiety in public changing rooms for the same reason.

3 - strangers think it's perfectly acceptable to comment and pass judgement on my genitals and secondary sex characteristics; they've been doing it since I was a child. There's also plenty of speculation on how I have sex when I'm not submitting to the pressure to perform heterosexuality.

4 - my validity as a woman has been denied on the grounds of my refusal to perform the feminine gender for decades.

5 - I've had dickheads speculating about whether I'm a man or woman when I pass them in the street, because my presentation doesn't match their idea of what a woman should be.

I could go on, but you get the point.

The thing that gets me is there's a kernel of valid point buried in the idea of "cis privilege" but neither side will acknowledge it. The TRA insist on comparing male trans to female not-trans and this is clearly bollocks, but our side throws the baby out with the bathwater in this argument.

Among the class of females, those of us who can play the game and put on the performance have an advantage over those of us who cannot.

It's not "cis privilege" because the cis/trans binary is illusory and divisive bollocks intended to pander to males. It's about conformity to the social construct. TRA refuse to accept that we don't actually win against men by conforming - but those of us who cannot or will not conform are disadvantaged compared to those of us who can and do.

Gender-conforming men have an advantage over transwomen. Actual women, whether we conform or not, don't.

I can't play the game, and it's affected my employment prospects, my housing prospects, my educational prospects, all of it, because the world views me as inadequate and lesser than other women. I'm tired of that being ignored.

Dontknownow86 · 04/08/2020 15:59

The main ones that bother me:

  1. Not where toilets have been mixed sex.
  1. I can't at the gym or the local swimming pool as they have both been made mixed sex.
  1. Lol, I'm female, of course they do.
  1. Less feminine looking women are treated terribly by men.
  1. Not constantly being stared at lol. Again women do get this.
  1. I have been asked if I have children or plan on any children outrightwhen applying for jobs. It definitely affects it.
  1. I have definitely had to be careful when dating or flirting because as a woman I am at risk of attack.
  1. It took my sister 15 years to be diagnosed with endo add they dismissed it as 'women's' pains.

  2. No but we will potentially have to worry about make bodied rapists being in there with us going forward.

  3. Friends have been offered money on the street in the past for daring to stop at the atm at night.

  4. Have you seen rape statistics? I've also been a victim of stranger attack. I was definitely blamed for being out alone as a woman (in the early evening).

  5. Have you heard of the Bechtel test?

I do have to wonder if part of the harassment that trans people feel is because they didn't anticipate the true level of shit women get. They are angry about it and think that maybe women's spaces are some sort of special club where you can feel better about all this. Sorry no they aren't, it's just shit and you'll just have to learn to deal with it like the rest of us have had to from birth.

Delphinium20 · 04/08/2020 16:28

@HerNameWasEliza What an excellent rebuttal! Perfect!!

Thesuzle · 04/08/2020 16:50

Holy hell that list is annoying, anyone have the strength to fill in his silly little reply form ?

We can easily refute them all, i laughed out loud at the Shoes one
. I was V early teens and had size 7 feet, back in the 70”s I’m now a good 8 and wide Can i find pretty shoes in 8’s or above ???? No i bloody well cant, looking at you Russel and Bromley

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