Janice Turner 'women are fighting back against porn culture'

[ErrolTheDragon]

I don't think there's a thread on this - I'll put a link to her column in the Times today in the next post

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-must-fight-back-against-porn-soaked-culture-gpr8wnr8w?shareToken=619be02e3503bae16631b6f703c5ca02

Thanks for the share token.

I'm so bloody grateful for Janice Turner's voice and her work. I was trying to articulate this exact argument to a friend recently, and I could tell he thought I was being an alarmist pearl-clutcher. Having it expressed in a mainstream newspaper by such a respected journalist makes it so much easier for the rest of us to speak about it.

And the sooner Cosmopolitan go under the better for young women everywhere.

She's so crystal clear in her anger. Fabulous stuff.

Particularly liked the twats in the comments blaming feminism for men getting their rocks off harming women.

^attention to a worldwide growth in deaths of women after men claimed that a rough-sex game had simply “gone wrong”.

Who cares, call it what you like, if it is wrong it is wrong

And the law should not concern itself with things simply going wrong but the people who cause them to go wrong.

Great article. It makes me feel utterly despondent though about how far the overton window has shifted on what is acceptable mainstream consumption especially for young people.

Magazines aimed at young women and teens have always been a bit crap in their messaging but now they can be downright dangerous with publications like Cosmo and Teen Vogue espousing some very harmful things grown directly out of online porn culture.

The internet isn't going anywhere though so I don't know how the genie goes back in the bottle when sites like Porn Hub and the large companies behind them are so powerful.

Social media alos disseminates the culture to the masses, indoctrinating young girls who probably don't use sites like Porn Hub themselves but nevertheless take on board the subliminal messaging about BDSM, sex work, kinks and kink shaming.

I'm so glad this is being talked about in a mainstream newspaper.

It such a good article.

One of the things I just don't get is this: in every other sphere of life we know that hurting people is wrong. So why does anyone think it's somehow ok if there's a sexual thrill associated?

This stuff isn't 'sex positive' , it's glorifying negative sex.

Excellent tho' disturbing piece.

Whenever I read material like this, I think of Fermat (?) who says that if she ever started dating, people should know that she has a written document where she testifies that she is only interested in plain, 'vanilla' sex. She says that if she is injured or dies at the hands of someone claiming a 'rough sex' justification, then people should know it's not true.

Great article, as ever. What age would you give it to your teenager to read ? Mine is nearly 14 and I’m amazed by what she already knows - about keeping a drink safe in a nightclub and scrunchies that will cover your drink

The cynical part of my brain thinks that this will only change when it becomes a men's rights issue. As has been discussed on this forum, there is a growing understanding of how consumption of this kind of pornography negatively impacts male enjoyment of sex and can even lead to erectile dysfunction.

@ErrolTheDragon

One of the things I just don't get is this: in every other sphere of life we know that hurting people is wrong. So why does anyone think it's somehow ok if there's a sexual thrill associated?

This stuff isn't 'sex positive' , it's glorifying negative sex.

In every other sphere of life, all living creatures, without exception, run from pain, strive to put an end to pain. In no other area of life does any living creature ask for pain, desires it, much less derives "joy" from it. This "liking being hurt" is to my mind obviously a dysfunction. Pain is when the body says NO, loud and clear.

@Binterested

Great article, as ever. What age would you give it to your teenager to read ? Mine is nearly 14 and I’m amazed by what she already knows - about keeping a drink safe in a nightclub and scrunchies that will cover your drink

Now. Before she starts imbibing the messages that it's all fine.

Yes I think unfortunately we need to get our daughters savvy to this. Just been looking at a video by JazminBean and going down a rabbit hole of the ‘oeuvre’ they belong(s?) to (non-binary). They’ve just signed to Island Records and their recent video has over 2 million views. It’s all that Lolita/Horror-Goth nonsense that’s supposed to ‘shock’. All cutesy,cutesy Hello Kitty, mixed in with nail-encrusted baseball bats, cheap Camden Market ‘scary’ contact lenses and baby doll dresses. Plenty of comments from their fans on their Instagram page of ‘Choke me’, ‘Stab me (?!), ‘Can u step on me please’ with a fan base of ostensibly young teen girls But who knows what lurks behind those avatars.

They have their own make-up line of course and say they got into drag stuff and make-up when they were about 13. There’s a Vogue video of them talking about applying their make-up and she’s an incredibly posh, middle class girl.

But it’s all part of this early sexualisation and immediate immersion into the BDSM aesthetic that’s so prevalent on Instagram and other social media. And it’s all feeds into adolescenct self-loathing. On one of their posts they describe themselves as a suicide girl too and say they cry a lot (which in the light of that Janice Turner piece about Anokye and his fetish for women’s tears) makes me decidedly uncomfortable.

Sorry to bring this up but I genuinely feel this shit is being pumped into young girl’s and boy’s consciousness earlier and earlier and it pays to know what kind of stuff is being peddled. (It’s shit music too!)

I look at Jazmin bean and wonder where the fuck her parents are

I remember discussing how porn was already effecting the power balance in teen relationships more than years ago when my friend discussed with me how teen boys were using coercion to get BJs instead of a goodnight kiss. And girls were doing it for fear of gossip and blackmail and being called frigid. We were worried then. It is a nightmare now.

'Rough sex gone wrong' ever being accepted as an excuse is still shocking to me. People cannot consent to being fucking murdered. Also, I cannot imagine it would be accepted if a woman had strangled a guy or whatever either, only for dead women.

Thoroughly agreed with every word of Janice's article when I read it this morning.

Thank you for writing this Janice

A great article, thanks for the share.

@twoHopes

The cynical part of my brain thinks that this will only change when it becomes a men's rights issue. As has been discussed on this forum, there is a growing understanding of how consumption of this kind of pornography negatively impacts male enjoyment of sex and can even lead to erectile dysfunction.

For which the nhs provides pills though?

I’m so fed up. And scared for my kids. And the other kids. All the kids.

Can you imagine Jazmin Bean at 60?