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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Chase Strangio and accusations towards JKR around Genocide.

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CarnivorousYoni · 27/07/2020 15:46

Chase Strangio, ACLU lawyer extraordinaire, has a little tweet thread accusing Joanne Rowling of genocide etc. in which Chase does not tag her, but calls her 'the Harry Potter person'. Quite apart from the majestic irony of obscuring her sex and defining her by her male character creation, the accusation of genocide support is astounding and in keeping with the usual tone from TRAs.

However, I particularly enjoyed the second of the tweets in the thread, for, verily forsooth, it did display that Chase knoweth many words thereof, but not how to use them coherently. See if you can help me parse this gem;

Situating the trans subject and the trans body in the contested discursive space the way she does pulls the conversation around transness into the posture of working to locate the legitimate trans subject.

I think Chase means that by talking openly about trans as a subject, and trans people's bodies, Rowling is encouraging people to think about what Trans actually means. I'm not certain, because, who would be?

I think Chase takes issue with this conversation because in the context of the thread, Chase is suggesting that talking about Trans people is basically encouraging society to commit genocide against them.

See if you can make head or tail of it.

mobile.twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1287367457213161473

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nauticant · 27/07/2020 18:39

I'd hope that JKR is advised not to rise to bait like this. It would turn into a messy and protracted case that the ACLU would probably be keen to throw its weight behind.

Best to respond to clearer defamations with easy to identify damage rather than abusive stuff tweeted by someone who might not be all there.

Portnlemon · 27/07/2020 18:52

A bunch of infantile tweets like this is soon ridiculed and shot down in the sunlight of the adult Twitter sphere diffusing the impact enormously and encouraging debate. The opposite of Strangio's intentions.

The nasty article about her was different, it was emailed to subscribers for children, a more insideously unpleasant approach.

AnyOldPrion · 27/07/2020 19:39

Incidentally, we're told trans men pass better. I'd never heard of Chase but could see instantly that they're female.

I’ve started noticing, when I wouldn’t have noticed before. Longer term, high doses of testosterone have quite a distinctive effect on female bodies.

nepeta · 27/07/2020 20:07

@Portnlemon

A bunch of infantile tweets like this is soon ridiculed and shot down in the sunlight of the adult Twitter sphere diffusing the impact enormously and encouraging debate. The opposite of Strangio's intentions.

The nasty article about her was different, it was emailed to subscribers for children, a more insideously unpleasant approach.

ACLU did a somewhat similar thing on the International Men's day, wishing a great day to all men and listing menstruating men and men who give birth among other types.

Probably the same originator? In any case, the responses to the tweet were not in agreement. One man said he laughed so hard he got his period.

Sexnotgender · 27/07/2020 20:09

Is Chase the person who gets scared opening letters and so is in debt? Or have I mixed them up with someone else?

SetYourselfOnFire · 27/07/2020 20:25

That the ACLU put Chase as its public face shows they've been totally corrupted. They now support criminalization of speech re: misgendering.

CarnivorousYoni · 27/07/2020 20:26

Yes, Chase said they find it triggering to open letters that use their deadname,and thus,because they racked up some debts using their dead name, and therefore found it so distressing to see the name, they couldn't open the letters and therefore pay their debts.

One of the more startling examples of TRAs refusing to accept any responsibilities, tbh.

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 27/07/2020 20:45

It’s just word soup #nodebate isn’t it? No free speech for those nasty people who understand biology Hmm

Portnlemon · 27/07/2020 20:58

They seem to be identified as a US bank though.

ShinyFootball · 27/07/2020 21:54

'Chase Strangio
@chasestrangio
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26 Jul
And perhaps most insidiously, in so doing, we give the false impression that sexed bodies are things only trans people have. By obscuring the larger structural impulses behind bodily policing and the violence of the sex binary, we ensure the continuation of these structures.'

This is a totally pisstake and fuck you to all women and girls globally.

Nice.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 27/07/2020 22:01

Chase is totally channeling Judith Butler on that tweet...

Weird when Butler’s work is such a load old wank.

LouHotel · 27/07/2020 22:02

Reminds me of when writing my dissertation at 3am in the morning and you start using the synonyms a Little to liberally.

ShinyFootball · 27/07/2020 22:13

That tweet that I just posted, says to me..

(And please do say if I have misunderstood).

Is that there is an imposition of the 'sexed body' on trans people but not on any other people in the world (??!!??).

And that the policing of the sexed bodies of trans people (but not anybody else) (!!!) Perpetuates the violent enforcement of the gender binary. (No argument from me that gender is shite and violently enforced to a greater or lesser extent to the detriment of both men and women but women moreso).

So a secondary translation is:

That people who aren't trans are free from being policed due to their sexed bodies and furthermore are contributing to the often violent imposition of sex role on men and women all over the world.

So... Non trans people all support things like the missing millions, FGM, the fact that girls and women are disproportionally affected by sexual violence and sex trafficking, girls who are raped being forced to give birth when their bodies are too young to support it etc etc etc

Is that about right?

Portnlemon · 27/07/2020 22:24

Whatever it means we're all bad people .

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Greenandcabbagelooking · 27/07/2020 22:35

That sounds like what my Sixth Formers do when trying to wring more words out of a half formed idea.

NotBadConsidering · 27/07/2020 22:51

I’ll go out on a limb and say that in 10 years’ time, we will look back and see that not a single trans person has been killed or suicided as a result of anything JK Rowling has said. Hmm

However, I do think it’s possible that there will be a number of people, likely women who are currently teenage girls, who have avoided having their bodies medicalised for life as a result of the awareness JK Rowling has brought, and will be incredibly grateful.

ShinyFootball · 27/07/2020 23:09

I find it really interesting that women who talk about being wary of men etc are told they are paranoids with a victim complex

While shit like this gets posted saying JKR wants all trans people dead in a genocide.

Kantastic · 27/07/2020 23:10

I’m an ACLU member and I donate to them despite my skepticism about the trans cult.

I don't think they are as committed to free speech or other civil liberties as they used to be. Have a read of this. www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/14/the-aclu-would-not-take-the-skokie-case-today/

And they are taking cases like this (advocating for males who are not even on hormones to be allowed to compete against teenage girls in track competitions - where college scholarships are potentially at stake.)
www.ctpost.com/local/article/CT-wants-trans-students-to-compete-in-girls-15340712.php

Just sharing in case you aren't fully cognisant of what they've been up to lately. It looks to me like they have completely lost their way to the point where they are doing much more harm than good.

Clymene · 27/07/2020 23:11

Chase is a fucking knob. How can someone so bloody fragile that they can't open a letter addressed to their former name possibly be a decent lawyer? Or even function as a member of society for that matter.

Validating this level of minor distress as a cause of enormous suffering adds fuel to the fire of so many gender distressed young people's sense of victimhood.

Rather than helping gender non conforming youth, people like Strangio are whipping them into a frenzy of imagined hurts and micro aggressions, where they feel the world is conspiring against them.

Kantastic · 27/07/2020 23:14

Also it seems to me that part of the harm the ACLU are doing currently, is in dragging their own brand through the mud, and discrediting their other causes among people who might have once taken their moral authority seriously, but I'm not an American so this is just a vague impression gleaned online.

Kantastic · 27/07/2020 23:17

How can someone so bloody fragile that they can't open a letter addressed to their former name possibly be a decent lawyer?

This confuses me so much. You'd think a lawyer at the ACLU would get a LOT of nasty letters, does Chase open their own work mail?

Manderleyagain · 27/07/2020 23:19

I really didn't understand this tweet:

"And perhaps most insidiously, in so doing, we give the false impression that sexed bodies are things only trans people have. By obscuring the larger structural impulses behind bodily policing and the violence of the sex binary, we ensure the continuation of these structures."

Why would only trans people have sexed bodies? No one thinks that. What's this about?

ShinyFootball · 27/07/2020 23:37

What they are saying, I think, is that gender is over riding. Sex is secondary. Only trans people get their sexed bodies policed. (Which is a very narrow view of what the policing of sexed bodies looks like indeed). IE people saying that a woman with a dick shouldn't be in xyz space. Ignoring the policing of women's bodies to the extent that they die due to being denied reproductive healthcare and etc.

Further that the fact that only trans bodies are policed supports the gender binary (sex roles) and that only trans people are affected by this (in a post about JKR who discussed DV sexual assault).

So in short. Non trans people support the consequences of enforcing sex role.

Pretty bad.

Clymene · 27/07/2020 23:40

'The violence of the sex binary'. Grin

Chase needs to have a word with evolutionary biology and tell it to top being so mean

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