Layla Moran on Nick Robinson's Political Thinking on Radio 4

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He asked her "What is a woman?" You can imagine how that went. "Word soup" would be a kind assessment.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08lqgvv

thing is, presenters need to start asking MP what a man is? then ask what a woman is.

I mean has anyone been asked what a man is in the media?

Wow so brave and stunning

funnily enough I think that phrase has recently been banned on MN . I got a strike for using it. Obviously this thread isn’t being monitored closely by our external moderators because it’s about Layla Moran and nobody cares about her plus she’s a women so double plus reasons not to care 🤷🏼‍♀️

funnily enough I think that phrase has recently been banned on MN

Whoops I think that was me, sorry Layla if you are reading. However if you want any respect from oldies like me then please try to do or say something of interest, the self applied, navel-gazing labels are just so boring and won't impress any grown-up

I wonder if he asked her about her attitude to domestic violence?

She's put herself forward to lead the LD party so maybe someone should tell her that single sex spaces ALREADY EXIST and that their protection IS WRITTEN INTO LAW.

And the problems only happened when less than 1% of males started to argue that no female people should be allowed nothing males couldn't take away and own for themselves, and twits like Moran rushed around encouraging them.

It's no problem if you have even the most basic respect for female people and the needs specific to their being female.

The situation did not 'become more complex', it merely became fashionable and acceptable to be deeply and openly misogynistic towards females.

On the word "pansexual": "Every generation chooses new language, chooses a new societal structure and then we have these debates for things and society progresses. It's a new word for a very old idea."

On trans people: "They feel very very under attack and in recent weeks many are thinking of leaving the country because they fear it's going the other way... You should be able to be who you are... We all deserve to be able to self-determine and feel safe."

On the definition of the word "woman": "A woman is a gender. It's a way to self-identify. There are lots of genders. There is male, and that is biological. There is female, which is also biological. A woman is a gender identity, which is more akin to being a man, those are opposites. And there is also non-binary, which isn't either."

On the definition of the word "woman": "A woman is a gender. It's a way to self-identify. There are lots of genders. There is male, and that is biological. There is female, which is also biological. A woman is a gender identity, which is more akin to being a man, those are opposites. And there is also non-binary, which isn't either."

Right. I'm glad that's cleared up. So now I know that I am female but not a woman.

Is it to females or to women that specific legal protections need to be given to compensate for the discrimination and violence they suffer?

Just listened. Absolutely enraging. I am almost tempted to find out how to do a response video and upload it to YouTube.

I am a woman, that is not a gender identity, it is a factual statement.

And that bollocks about "would I need a card to prove I have a vagina". No she wouldn't. Do potential leaders of political parties normally make up outrageous suggestions to argue against? Incredibly childish.

Thank you to those who listened so I don't have to. I don't think my blood pressure could stand it.

By the way, did she have anything to say about what a man was, other than the opposite gender identity to woman? When did it suddenly become the 1950s again? And does anyone remember the 1960s when grandads used to say: "I thought he was a girl because he had long hair"?

And that bollocks about "would I need a card to prove I have a vagina".

I don't know much about her background, but that inane argument is a sign of someone who has never needed or doesn't value women-only spaces. I wish she would just butt the fuck out of this debate if it makes no difference to her personally.
Same goes for Sal Brinton, who uses that same argument and some really desperate 'women do it too' lines. It all sounds very rehearsed.

It all sounds very rehearsed.

Just frustrating that she wasn't challenged on it. A simple "oh, who is proposing that?"

Layla has a very privileged background included attended Roedean

Layla has a very privileged background included attended Roedean

Money well spent then. Not.

Is it a guilt issue for some privileged people? They feel like they have to take up a cause and fight for it without thinking logically about it? I'm really trying to come up with reasons why they can't see what we all can with this ideology but I'm scratching my head.

I don't know much about her background, but that inane argument is a sign of someone who has never needed or doesn't value women-only spaces. I wish she would just butt the fuck out of this debate if it makes no difference to her personally.

this.

Is it a guilt issue for some privileged people? They feel like they have to take up a cause and fight for it without thinking logically about it?

There was a generation who felt inadequate they'd not fought the Nazis. They processed that in their own ways, and that led to all kinds of late 50s youth cults. There's now a generation who feel sad they didn't win the war for gay rights. They're processing it by abusing women to make them think and speak in the correct ways.

Seaside bank holiday violence versus mini-Maoists, it's hard to decide which is worse.

Did anyone else notice how her voice changed when she was talking about trans rights and answering 'what is a woman?'

She talked fluently and clearly about everything else, including her struggles with her weight and her sexuality. But as they moved on to 'trans rights' she sounded less and less confident and convinced about what she was saying, until they got to 'what is a woman?' where her answer was an incoherent mess. Almost like that part was following a script, compared with the earlier part of the interview where she sounded as though she was giving her own views which she had actually thought about.

After 'what is a woman?' she was asked about women being called 'people who menstruate'. She seemed to have no idea that this sort of language was being used by a number of organisations. Totally out of touch.

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That's interesting. I've never thought about it like that. I suppose they were often told that they were lucky they didn't have to fight the fight (whatever one it was at the time) which made some people crave a fight. What I don't understand about gender ideology is the total lack of concern for women and girls from religious backgrounds (predominantly ethnic minorities) that will be excluded by this. If they really were social warriors ( if that's the right description) wouldn't they care about them too? I see that pointed out many times but like other questions, it is ignored.

@BluebonicPlague

On the definition of the word "woman": "A woman is a gender. It's a way to self-identify. There are lots of genders. There is male, and that is biological. There is female, which is also biological. A woman is a gender identity, which is more akin to being a man, those are opposites. And there is also non-binary, which isn't either."

Right. I'm glad that's cleared up. So now I know that I am female but not a woman.

Is it to females or to women that specific legal protections need to be given to compensate for the discrimination and violence they suffer?

This is the point, isn't it? At least she's set out her vocabulary so everyone can now ask her to specify. "Does this protect women or females?"