Bringing Up Girls in a Patriarchal Porn Culture - online with Gail Dines - 20 July 2020

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As our culture is increasingly hijacked by porn, girls are groomed to see themselves as sex objects. Learn how we can reclaim feminism's understanding that porn is violence against women, and how we can build a movement that resists the pornification of our culture. The livestream will be here: www.facebook.com/culturereframed/

Have just seen it is only 30mins! but in case anyone is interested. It is midday EST which I think I am right in saying is 5pm in the UK.

Event details: www.facebook.com/events/284849269258876/

Bumping it.

I think going after porn in it's entirety is likely going to be a futile fight as many women watch it and many couples like to make it. I personally think it would be more feasible to go after the more reprehensible stuff. Not yet sure exactly how!

I don't really think many women watch porn and get a thrill from it to be honest. I think they watch it to appease their partners 'if I watch it too, it can't be misogynistic, because I'm objectifying the women too, and I'm a women so...'

Read this from Dr em on twitter.

For decades paedophiles have used porn to educate and teach children - no one is born knowing how to suck dick for example

Shmurf - suggesst you look at Culture Reframed www.culturereframed.org/ - it has not only had a huge impact in the states (even some Hollywood film makers taking note) but has helped fight back against this idea that porn is "normal".

Especially at a time when so much of it is so widely available and so much of it is about violence against women.

You can google any number of reports about how damaging this has been even for quite young girls.

Its fantastic that someone is standing up to this avalance of woman hating.

Violence and degradation against women on the current scale wouldn't exist if women were understood to be human. (Erotica might, but porn at this point is anything but.)

So it really doesn't matter whether it's futile or not. It's essential to fight body slavery whether there's a chance to win or not.

I don't really think many women watch porn and get a thrill from it to be honest.

Not the impression I get from what I've read on here, I'm afraid. Have read loads of posts from women saying they enjoy it. Why would they lie on a women's forum?

I think it's one of those situations where the majority makes the rules, so to speak, and most women aren't particularly feminist IME despite most agreeing with feminists on some topics like equal opportunities/pay etc. It's the 'relationship with men' bit where I notice the biggest difference between feminists and the average woman.

Appreciate this will annoy some on here but I'm just being honest as I see things.

I have never read an abundance of such posts, but I do see a lot of anti porn posts. I don't believe women lie on average. I do believe people lie to pretend something is normal when it isn't.

Watching now. She's brought up that awful Teen Vogue article about anal sex.

A paedophile told Gail that "the culture did a lot of the grooming for me". Chilling.

Ah I missed this. Is it still available to watch. This is something I’m really worried about for my girls

Of course girls/women pretend they are ‘cool with porn’ to make themselves attractive to men, it’s a no brainer. Until they mature and realise it’s horrific and dehumanising....Porn degrades women, not men, why is that? Because as we all know, women don’t get sexual gratification from seeing men degraded.

I'd also like some advice on raising boys in porn culture. I'm very worried about this. I'd like my sons to grow up having fun, mutually enjoyable and respectful relationships with girls/women. But they will get such a warped view from porn culture unless we can push the tide back.
I really don't know how to tackle it beyond teaching kindness and empathy.
To be clear this is not 'what about the boys' more we need to teach boys to see girls as people not objects and that is quite difficult in the prevailing culture. Ramble over...

I think the talk was recorded and is available, along with advice on talking to sons and daughters, at www.culturereframed.org/

cosycatsocks - Culture Reframed which was set up by Gail Dines is very much focused on making sure both boys and girls are not corrupted by porn - for the reasons you've said.

We help parents and other adults build kids’ resilience to hypersexualized media and porn www.culturereframed.org/

Of course girls/women pretend they are ‘cool with porn’ to make themselves attractive to men, it’s a no brainer.

Undoubtedly some do, but plenty of others likely keep quiet about liking it to avoid backlash. There's loads of porn made by couples which is passionate and respectful but people only focus on the bad stuff as it fits their agenda.

Not like it'll ever get banned anyway.