YouGov Poll analysis

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Where does the British Public Stand on Transgender Rights

Just starting a new thread in case it gets lost on the OJ one:

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

And also because I have just seen the new chief exec of Stonewall give the YouGov report a content warning. twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1283727215402921989?s=20

Seems like only yesterday Stonewall thought this data was confirming their position...

Thanks interesting

Nice comment from Wild Women's Writing Club:

My word. The more I think about this, Nancy.... issuing a trigger warning to men because lots of women don’t accept them in our spaces? What kind of man feels “triggered” by a woman’s “no”? An entitled one, perhaps? An abusive one? Women’s consent matters, does it not?

a slight decline since 2019 (56% to 23%)
That seems more than a slight decline to me.

It's poorly written.
"A recent YouGov poll for PinkNews showed that by 50% to 27% Britons believe that people should be allowed to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were assigned at birth."

I assume this means it is 50% think yes, 27% think no. With 56% and 23% being the 2019 comparator numbers.

Wow - this is very different to the spin presented by OJ and p*nk news, isn't it?

Ah yes bishop reading the tweets I realised that was probably what they meant.

Times article.
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/28-of-britons-back-easing-rules-on-gender-change-j2j3qkbqf?fbclid=IwAR14Cuvkx6A6WVEp_sWojdWsSww2iUqU6NcvVFLloud3SztPltaUvw2KzPo

Sorry if this is not a share token. I did click on the Share link and this is the link it produced. I don't think it's right.

I suspect a large chunk of the populace doesn't even know what a 'trans woman' actually means. The 'no debate' stance actually hadn't done the movement any favours - previously nobody was allowed to even discuss these issues (see all the tweets complaining that anybody dared to a survey on these.attitudes). Now we have half arsed legislation pending, a really confused populace and an unravelling saga of misinformation, misunderstanding and language being strangled past the point of meaning.

The YouGov site summary of the survey clearly suggests that most people think trans women have had surgery. The majority supports those trans women's right to use women's toilets and so on, but that is based on having had the surgery, but not the right of trans women who have not had surgery to use women's toilets.

Also, the plurality is against trans women in women's sports.

Most people seem not to know that self-identification requires zero surgery or even hormones, or that more than eighty percent of trans women retain male genitals.

Yes, it highlights very clearly that for many of the general public, the concept of 'trans' is synonymous with someone who is so distressed / dysphoric that they have had full genital surgery.

The trans lobby has deliberately avoided making it very clear that the vast majority of trans women retain their penis. They wanted to take advantage of public sympathy for trans people even though they know this sympathy vanishes when the details are spelled out clearly - penis? No thanks.