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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Former LibDem MP Lynne Featherstone

36 replies

Xanthangum · 15/07/2020 22:12

I won't link to PN, but Lynne Featherstone has been waving her woke carpet around, including this:

The fear raised by a small but vocal minority of cis women that somehow trans women who self-identify in future under an amended Gender Recognition Act will enable men pretending to be women to get into single-sex spaces to do cis women harm is dangerous, unkind, unreasonable and wrong. Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman.

In other words, increased risk for women is a price worth paying.

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EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 16/07/2020 09:29

I saw Lynne Featherstone talking about FGM a few years ago & she was excellent.

She seemed to know what a woman was then Sad.

ConstanceSalinger · 16/07/2020 09:30

I couldn't remember what area she used to represent so I googled her. Under "critisicm" she is listed as having dialled 999 to report a faulty boiler in her house Grin. I've no idea if Wiki is having me on but I like it and it makes perfect sense.

hoodathunkit · 16/07/2020 10:04

Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman

What if the man identifies as a women? Surely the above quote is thus dead naming and transphobic?

ThePurported · 16/07/2020 10:47

Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman.

But transwomen are male. A transwoman who commits a crime is a male criminal just like all other male criminals. 'Real' or pretend trans, it makes no difference to the victim.

Or does LF actually believe that TWs as a group are somehow incapable of committing crimes?!

DadDadDad · 16/07/2020 11:39

"Fear raised by women" - is LF aware that men share the concern too?

If my daughter gets undressed in the female changing area of the swimming pool, I feel that there is social convention and legal restrictions that stop a man going in there and exposing himself - a reasonable protection to my daughter's dignity and comfort, long before we start talking about criminal behaviour.

I fear that this protection is being eroded because the social convention is being destroyed and the legal restrictions are under threat. Trans women should be able to live with dignity and comfort, but if accommodating them is not done carefully then the cost will be the dignity and comfort (and in the worst case, physical safety) of others.

(I wouldn't normally highlight that I am a man when posting, but I mention this to contradict LF's claim that it's just "vocal women").

IloveJKRowling · 16/07/2020 14:18

If my daughter gets undressed in the female changing area of the swimming pool, I feel that there is social convention and legal restrictions that stop a man going in there and exposing himself - a reasonable protection to my daughter's dignity and comfort, long before we start talking about criminal behaviour.

Exactly. And once this disappears, then many women and girls will no longer feel comfortable using those spaces and will self-exclude.

And all they need to accommodate everyone is a third unisex space. But somehow that's never enough. No, they have to destroy the rights, dignity, safety and comfort of little girls.

IloveJKRowling · 16/07/2020 14:20

Also, I do think that most Dads of daughters will oppose this once they know about the wide ranging implications. I think many men still think it's a tiny issue and don't see the bigger picture.

I wonder how many Dads will start ID-ing as women for as long as it takes for their daughter to get changed?

ThinEndoftheWedge · 16/07/2020 14:26

I wonder how many Dads will start ID-ing as women for as long as it takes for their daughter to get changed?

Indeed - my hubby was ‘it’s complicated’ until I asked how he would feel dropping our 3 DDs by our swimming pool’s female communal changing rooms, and watches an adult male in a dress walk in after them - while he goes off to the males.

He doesn’t think it’s ‘complicated’ anymore!

JellySlice · 16/07/2020 14:34

They should be welcoming and understanding to these new women. They should have humanity, kindness and inclusiveness in their souls.

She is so caught in the FOG of 'Be Kind', that she can't conceive of breaking away from it. It's as if she believes that 'Being Kind' is the defining feature of womanhood.

DadDadDad · 16/07/2020 19:01

He doesn’t think it’s ‘complicated’ anymore!

Yep, simple enough for even men to understand. Grin

IloveJKRowling · 16/07/2020 23:57

The whole 'be kind' thing makes me rage.

I'm going to 'be kind' to my two daughters, and fight those who are being decidedly UNKIND trying to take their rights away.

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